Author Topic: Are you being honest here, or honest there? (Read 21758 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** July 13, 2015, 10:00:23 AM »

The question is simple, and so is the answer.

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Who needs a cup of coffee when you've got this in the morning?

OHCA · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:18:45 AM »

I can't view this. Idk if it's just my phone or what. Also, I didn't start the thread and stand by my general position that anonymous posts/threads are generally bad form.

I would appreciate being able to see whatever it is though. Is it links, pics, or what? I don't understand why I can't see it as I typically view links and pics just fine.

BTNYC · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:23:16 AM »

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I can't view this. Idk if it's just my phone or what.

I can't see it either.

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Also, I didn't start the thread and stand by my general position that anonymous posts/threads are generally bad form.

Agreed 100%. I'd say this is particularly true if the topic at hand is something along the lines of "Are you being honest here and there."

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:26:51 AM »

Reformatted:

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Jaynek · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:34:45 AM »

It is a bunch of screen caps of things I have posted on CAF.

If somebody wants to ask me questions about anything that I have posted anywhere, use your name.

Also, I would appreciate being asked about one thing at a time.

OHCA · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:38:00 AM »

I think even Jayne deserves the decency of knowing who is speaking against her.

Reading through hurriedly, I was particularly troubled by what she had to say about the SSPV person.

I doubt she would ever say anything like that on CI.

OHCA · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:51:22 AM »

Her response about the "communion service" was such as to embolden the person in his erroneous path--a person in whom the Holy Ghost was likely working and planting questions to seek the fullness of Catholicism.

Despicable!! You just like to pontificate whether you know what in the hell you're talking about or not!! This was most egregious!!

OHCA · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:54:54 AM »

The one that "we" should welcome trads and charismatics was less than 10 days ago and is very telling. She does not consider herself a trad by that wording. And trads should be welcomed on the same level as charismatics. Wow Jayne!!

She is admittedly duplicitous and should be banned for potential harm to the faith of others.

Jaynek · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2015, 11:55:27 AM »

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I think even Jayne deserves the decency of knowing who is speaking against her.

Reading through hurriedly, I was particularly troubled by what she had to say about the SSPV person.

I doubt she would ever say anything like that on CI.

It sounded to me like a woman was wanting to marry a man who did not consider her to be a Catholic because she attends a diocesan approved TLM.

I wrote:

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I do not expect anything other than prayer to work.

I advise you not to marry him while he is like this. You should probably stop dating him and look elsewhere.

In response to person who said it was like marrying a Methodist and therefore OK, I wrote:

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It is questionable whether he is Catholic. He is not in union with the pope, which is a necessary condition of Catholicism.

It is not like marrying a Methodist. It is like marrying a Fundamentalist who hands out tracts about the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon. To marry a person who despises your religion is extremely difficult. It is unrealistic to say that it will all be OK if you love him.

I have questioned whether sedes are Catholic on trad forums. I may have done so on CI in the past. I remember that I have definitely mentioned that I disagree with SV here.

OHCA · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:01:51 PM »

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It is like marrying a Fundamentalist who hands out tracts about the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon.

Wow!! This is what you think about sedes and particularly SSPV!! And even worse than marrying a Methodist?!?!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:03:36 PM »

This is by Jayne:

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The one that "we" should welcome trads and charismatics was less than 10 days ago and is very telling. She does not consider herself a trad by that wording. And trads should be welcomed on the same level as charismatics. Wow Jayne!!

She is admittedly duplicitous and should be banned for potential harm to the faith of others.

I wrote on CAF:

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Thank you for this wonderful illustration of how making "room for many thoughts, theologies, disciplines, and practices" can be taken too far.

Some things, such as your example of same-sex marriage, can never have a place in the Catholic Church. Accepting such a thing is not about unity in Christ. On the other hand, we ought to make room for both trads and charismatics, for example

We need to discern what are the areas of legitimate disagreement and where we draw the line and say, "this is not and never can be Catholic."

I stand by this post. If I deserve to be banned for it, so be it.

If I posted about controversial topics here, I would be accused of trolling. When I avoid them, I am accused of being duplicitous.

Jaynek · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:10:18 PM »

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It is like marrying a Fundamentalist who hands out tracts about the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon.

Wow!! This is what you think about sedes and particularly SSPV!! And even worse than marrying a Methodist?!?!

This is what I think about the sort of sede who thinks that other trads are not Catholic. That is how I understood the situation from the OP.

There are a variety of sedes and I would not say this about all of them.

OHCA · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:11:05 PM »

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This is by Jayne:
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The one that "we" should welcome trads and charismatics was less than 10 days ago and is very telling. She does not consider herself a trad by that wording. And trads should be welcomed on the same level as charismatics. Wow Jayne!!

She is admittedly duplicitous and should be banned for potential harm to the faith of others.

I wrote on CAF:
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Thank you for this wonderful illustration of how making "room for many thoughts, theologies, disciplines, and practices" can be taken too far.

Some things, such as your example of same-sex marriage, can never have a place in the Catholic Church. Accepting such a thing is not about unity in Christ. On the other hand, we ought to make room for both trads and charismatics, for example

We need to discern what are the areas of legitimate disagreement and where we draw the line and say, "this is not and never can be Catholic."

I stand by this post. If I deserve to be banned for it, so be it.

If I posted about controversial topics here, I would be accused of trolling. When I avoid them, I am accused of being duplicitous.

I'm not talking about the crux of the topic. I'm talking about how you put trads on the same level as charismatics, say accept both, and the context of "we" indicating that you consider yourself neither.

OHCA · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:13:05 PM »

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There are a variety of sedes and I would not say this about all of them.

Back-pedaling and wiggle-room.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:17:45 PM »

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It is like marrying a Fundamentalist who hands out tracts about the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon.

Wow!! This is what you think about sedes and particularly SSPV!! And even worse than marrying a Methodist?!?!

This is what I think about the sort of sede who thinks that other trads are not Catholic. That is how I understood the situation from the OP.

There are a variety of sedes and I would not say this about all of them.

If you mean dogmatic sedes (like MHFM, etc.) then I can see your point. That being said, you should've made it more clear.

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