Do any of you believe Benedict is still the Pope?If Benedict is still Pope then he would not be "vacant" , maybe a more accurate term would be "Benedict-step-aside-ists".
If Benedict is still Pope then he would not be "vacant" , maybe a more accurate term would be "Benedict-step-aside-ists".I know. "Bennyvacantist" is a non-literal portmanteau that stuck I think because it sounds good and also because it classifies those who believe in it in a similar boat the the sedevacantists.
"Benevacantism" is a dead end road. Once Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI passes away then what?Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.What if the next Pope is just as bad if not worse than Francis. Then what? Taglevacantism? Its a dead end road once an individual starts to take matters into their own hand this way.
What if the next Pope is just as bad if not worse than Francis. Then what? Taglevacantism? Its a dead end road once an individual starts to take matters into their own hand this way.The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not. Thus if Tagle gets legitimately elected, the "Bennyvacantists" would have to recognize him as Pope, just as they did John XXIII to Benedict XVI. So "Bennyvacantists" eventually merges back on the same road as R&R.
The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not.This.
The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not. Thus if Tagle gets legitimately elected, the "Bennyvacantists" would have to recognize him as Pope, just as they did John XXIII to Benedict XVI. So "Bennyvacantists" eventually merges back on the same road as R&R.I see. So perhaps better termed "Resignationism" as that is the real issue. But then again, would this have really been an issue if Francis wasn't a communist protestant?
I see. So perhaps better termed "Resignationism" as that is the real issue. But then again, would this have really been an issue if Francis wasn't a communist protestant?Correct, the question of whether the resignation was vailed or not is the real issue, or more specifically, was there "substantial error"
Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
Frank Walker recently conducted a poll on the question..... https://canon212voice.com/pollwhoispope/Until I saw that poll, I thought Bennyvacantists were rare, but now it seems they are a large part of the traditional Catholic world.
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Until I saw that poll, I thought Bennyvacantists were rare, but now it seems they are a large part of the traditional Catholic world.
I won't vouch for the statistical accuracy of that poll, and I would sense that those who visit Frank's site tend towards the conservative/traditional, but the results show that there is a non-insignificant number who believe BXVI to not have validly resigned.
ETA: Results of the poll. Note that "neither" was an option.
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Wouldn't the conclave include both? Given voting is secret, how will Bugnolo know which cardinal voted for the man elected?According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
Wouldn't the conclave include both?
Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?
Wouldn't the conclave include both? Given voting is secret, how will Bugnolo know which cardinal voted for the man elected?Being pro-Benedict as still the pope, wouldn't he have to be pro-Benedict's favourite council.
Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?
In that case they all need to die. Otherwise there will always be doubt.According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
I don't believe in posting αnσnymσusly therefore post 34 is mine, MyrnaBingo, I guessed rightly!