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Title: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2021, 12:01:00 PM
Do any of you believe Benedict is still the Pope? 
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
Do any of you believe Benedict is still the Pope?
If Benedict is still Pope then he would not be "vacant" , maybe a more accurate term would be "Benedict-step-aside-ists".
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
Only materially, at best. Still an anti-pope.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
If Benedict is still Pope then he would not be "vacant" , maybe a more accurate term would be "Benedict-step-aside-ists".
I know. "Bennyvacantist" is a non-literal portmanteau that stuck I think because it sounds good and also because it classifies those who believe in it in a similar boat the the sedevacantists.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: SimpleMan on February 03, 2021, 02:55:52 PM
I've toyed with the idea. 

I maintain a lingering doubt as to whether the SVs are right, or whether they are wrong, and not judging myself competent to make that call, I settle it on the side of Francis, unfortunate as the scenario is, being a true Pope.  But I murmur to myself "...but I could be wrong". 

Again, can't make that call, I'd have doubts either way.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: 2Vermont on February 03, 2021, 03:03:34 PM
If there are a few I'd be surprised (at least of the active posters).  I think most posters fall into the category of Francis is the pope or sedevacante.  In fact, I think one thing most posters agree on is that Ratzinger is not the pope.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2021, 05:22:49 PM
I recall 2 here, one being Fr. Kramer and there was another guy who spammed the forum with Bennyvacantist posts.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Papa Pius V on February 03, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
"Benevacantism" is a dead end road. Once Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI passes away then what?

Most will either go mysticalist like the Plamarians and Cardinal Siri advocates or go Sedevacantist and some will just go back to the Novus Ordo.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 07:19:37 AM
"Benevacantism" is a dead end road. Once Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI passes away then what?


Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 07:41:15 AM
Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
What if the next Pope is just as bad if not worse than Francis. Then what? Taglevacantism? Its a dead end road once an individual starts to take matters into their own hand this way.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 07:57:19 AM
I am not one for the following reasons.

1.  Ratzinger was not a good Pope when he occupied the chair.  Just another modernist heretic.
2.  He resigned and he confirmed TWICE directly to the press that he did so of his own free will and explicitly denied he was put under pressure to resign.
3.  He is so old and decrepit now that even if he was the Pope, the he would just be an old decrepit modernist heretic.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
What if the next Pope is just as bad if not worse than Francis. Then what? Taglevacantism? Its a dead end road once an individual starts to take matters into their own hand this way.
The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not. Thus if Tagle gets legitimately elected, the "Bennyvacantists" would have to recognize him as Pope, just as they did John XXIII to Benedict XVI. So "Bennyvacantists" eventually merges back on the same road as R&R.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 09:42:09 AM
The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not.
This. 
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not. Thus if Tagle gets legitimately elected, the "Bennyvacantists" would have to recognize him as Pope, just as they did John XXIII to Benedict XVI. So "Bennyvacantists" eventually merges back on the same road as R&R.
I see. So perhaps better termed "Resignationism" as that is the real issue. But then again, would this have really been an issue if Francis wasn't a communist protestant?
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 10:05:00 AM
I see. So perhaps better termed "Resignationism" as that is the real issue. But then again, would this have really been an issue if Francis wasn't a communist protestant?
Correct, the question of whether the resignation was vailed or not is the real issue, or more specifically, was there "substantial error"
You are also correct, in that had not Bergoglio been such a flaming liberal commie, would anyone have even noticed or cared if the resignation contained substantial error. 
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Tallinn Trad on March 05, 2021, 10:00:17 AM
Pretty much everything post Vatican II contains error.

There are error prone.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the election of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Bonaventure on March 05, 2021, 01:35:25 PM
Frank Walker recently conducted a poll on the question.....  https://canon212voice.com/pollwhoispope/

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Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 01:41:33 PM
Frank Walker recently conducted a poll on the question.....  https://canon212voice.com/pollwhoispope/

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Until I saw that poll, I thought Bennyvacantists were rare, but now it seems they are a large part of the traditional Catholic world.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Bonaventure on March 05, 2021, 01:45:44 PM
Until I saw that poll, I thought Bennyvacantists were rare, but now it seems they are a large part of the traditional Catholic world.

I won't vouch for the statistical accuracy of that poll, and I would sense that those who visit Frank's site tend towards the conservative/traditional, but the results show that there is a non-insignificant number who believe BXVI to not have validly resigned.  

ETA: Results of the poll. Note that "neither" was an option. 

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Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Ladislaus on March 05, 2021, 02:27:03 PM
I won't vouch for the statistical accuracy of that poll, and I would sense that those who visit Frank's site tend towards the conservative/traditional, but the results show that there is a non-insignificant number who believe BXVI to not have validly resigned.  

ETA: Results of the poll. Note that "neither" was an option.

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Basically, 76% of those polled think that Bergoglio is NOT a legitimate Pope (adding together the Benny and the "Neither" votes).  It's higher (82%) if you factor in the undecideds ("I'm not sure.")

Does this mean that Bergoglio lacks "Universal Acceptance"?
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: 2Vermont on March 05, 2021, 03:11:33 PM
That poll is bogus.  It was posted in another thread.  As an αnσnymσus voter, I was able to vote THREE times, and I suspect there is no limit.  I wouldn't make ANY conclusions based on the data.

Having said that, I would amend my original post in this thread.  I have now noticed a number of Resignationists on this forum. 
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
Outside of Bennyvacantism There Is No Salvation!
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 03:19:59 PM
Only Bennyvacantists are Catholic!
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: 2Vermont on March 05, 2021, 04:40:19 PM
According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
Wouldn't the conclave include both? Given voting is secret, how will Bugnolo know which cardinal voted for the man elected?

Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
Wouldn't the conclave include both? 

Exactly. Which underlines the absurdity in such reasoning. It's a dead end.

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Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?

Not sure, but like nearly every Free Papa-Bennyist, he's definitely an Insulter/Moto Proprio guy.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 05:57:55 PM
Benedict said repeatedly Francis is Pope even if he continues to wear the Papal cassock. Francis has Benedict bless and greet his new Cardinals. I wonder if he holds to a theory that Ann Barnhardt alluded to once, that Benedict sees himself as the spiritual side of the Papal office and Francis the active side. Benedict did make an ambiguous resignation statement, but that is perhaps his mode of expression, or just active-spiritual bifurcated Papal office. Not a Bennyvacantist, for Benedict is fundamentally the same as Francis only he expresses himself differently, and the office cannot be divided. What Benedict says, however he dresses, he doesn't exercise any Papal office. Francis does. Perhaps he doesn't exercise the office rightly, but exercise he does. Francis is there with the power, which Benedict doesn't have. 
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Nadir on March 05, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Wouldn't the conclave include both? Given voting is secret, how will Bugnolo know which cardinal voted for the man elected?

Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?
Being pro-Benedict as still the pope, wouldn't he have to be pro-Benedict's favourite council.
BTW, just found this:
https://fromrome.info/2020/10/17/gestapo-of-the-new-world-order-arrest-br-bugnolo-today/
I believe that Benedict is not the pope.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 08:24:51 PM
Seems that this thing really picked up steam after Fr Kramers colossal Resignationist-Summa. Its too bad he didn't devote so many scruples into his dubious reception of Holy Orders.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 06, 2021, 08:12:48 AM

During these abnormal times, I believe too much energy is placed on these VII so-called if you will, "popes," of which most of you agree do not resemble Peter.  

I urge all of you to spend a little time each day to read

 Mystici Corporis
The Mystical Body of Christ, the Church
Pope Pius XII - 1943

There you will read words to explain what the Catholic Church is, it is CHRIST!

"   As Bellarmine notes with acuмen and accuracy, 93 (https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius12/p12mysti.htm#easy-footnote-bottom-93-357) this appellation of the Body of Christ is not to be explained solely by the fact that Christ must be called the Head of His Mystical Body, but also by the fact that He so sustains the Church, and so in a certain sense lives in the Church, that she is, as it were, another Christ. The Doctor of the Gentiles, in his letter to the Corinthians, affirms this when, without further qualification, he calls the Church “Christ,”
following no doubt the example of his Master who called out to him from on high when he was attacking the Church: “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?”95 (https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius12/p12mysti.htm#easy-footnote-bottom-95-357)
Indeed, if we are to believe Gregory of Nyssa, the Church is often called simply “Christ” by the Apostle; 96 (https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius12/p12mysti.htm#easy-footnote-bottom-96-357) and you are familiar, Venerable Brethren, with that phrase of Augustine: “Christ preaches Christ.”97 (https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius12/p12mysti.htm#easy-footnote-bottom-97-357)
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 06, 2021, 08:33:01 AM
According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
In that case they all need to die.  Otherwise there will always be doubt. 
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on March 06, 2021, 05:11:34 PM

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According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.

You mean like the VII popes were elected by Modernist/infiltrators resulting in an invalid election.  What goes around comes around, not forgetting what is said about doubtful popes being no pope at all.    :( ::)
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Ladislaus on March 06, 2021, 05:32:48 PM
Well, the one benefit of the Bennyvacantist movement is that we now have lots of Catholics open to questioning the legitimacy of a putative pope, so that when the next (perhaps worse) heretic comes along, they'll be inclined to question him too.
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 02, 2021, 09:59:20 AM
Are there any who believe "only Bennyvacantists are Catholic!" and "Outside of Bennyvacantism there is no salvation!" ans that it is a mortal sin to attend an una-cuм Francis Mass or a sedevacantist Mass and that it is only lawful to attend a Bennyvacantist Mass?
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 02, 2021, 10:37:17 AM
Anonymous above your quote ---> " Outside of Bennyvacantism there is no salvation"

The Church teaches, laypeople can not judge the soul of another, only God can do that;  also review the way a person is guilty of mortal sin, it has to be deliberate knowledge with an attitude of my will, not YOUR Will. 

According to my conscience and what I learned from my Catholic education back in the 40's Outside the Church No Salvation!  
Vatican II is outside the Church.  Christ is the Church and the Church is Christ, Christ does not deceive nor does His Church.  
Just as the Church of England chose their will over the True  Pope's and became schismatic so does Vatican II when they took all the writings of the Past Popes and made them a prisoner within the walls of the Vatican by Omitting them. 


Even so, no one except God can judge because He and He alone knows who deliberately follows the Novus Ordo into the pit of Hell.  


Seek and you shall find!

 







Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 02, 2021, 10:40:06 AM
I don't believe in posting anonymously therefore post 34 is mine, Myrna
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Nadir on April 02, 2021, 09:22:49 PM
I don't believe in posting αnσnymσusly therefore post 34 is mine, Myrna
Bingo, I guessed rightly!
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 02, 2021, 10:28:18 PM
"Are There Any Bennyvacantists on Cathinfo?"

Yo.

https://forge-and-anvil.com/2020/07/01/i-now-believe-that-only-benedict-is-pope/ (https://forge-and-anvil.com/2020/07/01/i-now-believe-that-only-benedict-is-pope/)
Title: Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 02, 2021, 10:28:48 PM
Dang it, that last one was me.  (Forgot to check the box.)