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Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
« on: February 03, 2021, 12:01:00 PM »
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    • Do any of you believe Benedict is still the Pope? 
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #1 on: February 03, 2021, 12:08:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2021, 12:01:00 PM
    Do any of you believe Benedict is still the Pope?
    If Benedict is still Pope then he would not be "vacant" , maybe a more accurate term would be "Benedict-step-aside-ists".
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #2 on: February 03, 2021, 12:11:29 PM »
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    • Only materially, at best. Still an anti-pope.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #3 on: February 03, 2021, 12:21:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 03, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
    If Benedict is still Pope then he would not be "vacant" , maybe a more accurate term would be "Benedict-step-aside-ists".
    I know. "Bennyvacantist" is a non-literal portmanteau that stuck I think because it sounds good and also because it classifies those who believe in it in a similar boat the the sedevacantists.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #4 on: February 03, 2021, 02:55:52 PM »
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    • I've toyed with the idea. 

    I maintain a lingering doubt as to whether the SVs are right, or whether they are wrong, and not judging myself competent to make that call, I settle it on the side of Francis, unfortunate as the scenario is, being a true Pope.  But I murmur to myself "...but I could be wrong". 

    Again, can't make that call, I'd have doubts either way.  Time will tell.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #5 on: February 03, 2021, 03:03:34 PM »
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    • If there are a few I'd be surprised (at least of the active posters).  I think most posters fall into the category of Francis is the pope or sedevacante.  In fact, I think one thing most posters agree on is that Ratzinger is not the pope.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #6 on: February 03, 2021, 05:22:49 PM »
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    • I recall 2 here, one being Fr. Kramer and there was another guy who spammed the forum with Bennyvacantist posts.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 06:14:29 PM »
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    • "Benevacantism" is a dead end road. Once Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI passes away then what?

    Most will either go mysticalist like the Plamarians and Cardinal Siri advocates or go Sedevacantist and some will just go back to the Novus Ordo.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #8 on: February 04, 2021, 07:19:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 03, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
    "Benevacantism" is a dead end road. Once Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI passes away then what?


    Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #9 on: February 04, 2021, 07:41:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 07:19:37 AM
    Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
    What if the next Pope is just as bad if not worse than Francis. Then what? Taglevacantism? Its a dead end road once an individual starts to take matters into their own hand this way.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #10 on: February 04, 2021, 07:57:19 AM »
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    • I am not one for the following reasons.

    1.  Ratzinger was not a good Pope when he occupied the chair.  Just another modernist heretic.
    2.  He resigned and he confirmed TWICE directly to the press that he did so of his own free will and explicitly denied he was put under pressure to resign.
    3.  He is so old and decrepit now that even if he was the Pope, the he would just be an old decrepit modernist heretic.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #11 on: February 04, 2021, 08:01:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 07:41:15 AM
    What if the next Pope is just as bad if not worse than Francis. Then what? Taglevacantism? Its a dead end road once an individual starts to take matters into their own hand this way.
    The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not. Thus if Tagle gets legitimately elected, the "Bennyvacantists" would have to recognize him as Pope, just as they did John XXIII to Benedict XVI. So "Bennyvacantists" eventually merges back on the same road as R&R.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #12 on: February 04, 2021, 09:42:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
    The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not.
    This. 
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #13 on: February 04, 2021, 09:43:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
    The issue was never about a Pope being bad or good, it only concerns if the resignation valid or not. Thus if Tagle gets legitimately elected, the "Bennyvacantists" would have to recognize him as Pope, just as they did John XXIII to Benedict XVI. So "Bennyvacantists" eventually merges back on the same road as R&R.
    I see. So perhaps better termed "Resignationism" as that is the real issue. But then again, would this have really been an issue if Francis wasn't a communist protestant?
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #14 on: February 04, 2021, 10:05:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
    I see. So perhaps better termed "Resignationism" as that is the real issue. But then again, would this have really been an issue if Francis wasn't a communist protestant?
    Correct, the question of whether the resignation was vailed or not is the real issue, or more specifically, was there "substantial error"
    You are also correct, in that had not Bergoglio been such a flaming liberal commie, would anyone have even noticed or cared if the resignation contained substantial error. 
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