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Offline Tallinn Trad

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Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2021, 10:00:17 AM »
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    • Pretty much everything post Vatican II contains error.

    There are error prone.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #16 on: March 05, 2021, 12:58:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on February 04, 2021, 07:19:37 AM
    Then they wait until the next conclave to elect a valid Pope. They would be sedevacantist until Francis dies or properly resigns. So it is not a dead end road but the same road as the R&R position, expect there is a pause between Pope B16 and the one after Francis.
    According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the election of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #17 on: March 05, 2021, 01:35:25 PM »
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    • Frank Walker recently conducted a poll on the question.....  https://canon212voice.com/pollwhoispope/

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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #18 on: March 05, 2021, 01:41:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on March 05, 2021, 01:35:25 PM
    Frank Walker recently conducted a poll on the question.....  https://canon212voice.com/pollwhoispope/

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    Until I saw that poll, I thought Bennyvacantists were rare, but now it seems they are a large part of the traditional Catholic world.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #19 on: March 05, 2021, 01:45:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 01:41:33 PM
    Until I saw that poll, I thought Bennyvacantists were rare, but now it seems they are a large part of the traditional Catholic world.

    I won't vouch for the statistical accuracy of that poll, and I would sense that those who visit Frank's site tend towards the conservative/traditional, but the results show that there is a non-insignificant number who believe BXVI to not have validly resigned.  

    ETA: Results of the poll. Note that "neither" was an option. 

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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #20 on: March 05, 2021, 02:27:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on March 05, 2021, 01:45:44 PM
    I won't vouch for the statistical accuracy of that poll, and I would sense that those who visit Frank's site tend towards the conservative/traditional, but the results show that there is a non-insignificant number who believe BXVI to not have validly resigned.  

    ETA: Results of the poll. Note that "neither" was an option.



    Basically, 76% of those polled think that Bergoglio is NOT a legitimate Pope (adding together the Benny and the "Neither" votes).  It's higher (82%) if you factor in the undecideds ("I'm not sure.")

    Does this mean that Bergoglio lacks "Universal Acceptance"?
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #21 on: March 05, 2021, 03:11:33 PM »
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    • That poll is bogus.  It was posted in another thread.  As an αnσnymσus voter, I was able to vote THREE times, and I suspect there is no limit.  I wouldn't make ANY conclusions based on the data.

    Having said that, I would amend my original post in this thread.  I have now noticed a number of Resignationists on this forum. 
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #22 on: March 05, 2021, 03:19:36 PM »
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    • Outside of Bennyvacantism There Is No Salvation!
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #23 on: March 05, 2021, 03:19:59 PM »
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    • Only Bennyvacantists are Catholic!
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #24 on: March 05, 2021, 04:40:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on March 05, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
    According to one of the leading proponents of the "Papa-Benny did not resign" platform (Brother(?) Bugnolo) when P.P BXVI dies, the seat will be vacant until the ɛƖɛctıon of a new pope. However, the newly elected pope will only be recognized as valid IF the new pope was elected by Cardinals appointed by either BXVI or the popes who reigned before him. In other words, if the new pope is elected from a conclave consisting of Cardinals appointed by Pope Francis, that new pope will be considered invalid. (Because he was elected by invalid Cardinals, appointed by an invalid Pope). Ergo, they will contend that the seat remains vacant.
    Wouldn't the conclave include both? Given voting is secret, how will Bugnolo know which cardinal voted for the man elected?

    Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #25 on: March 05, 2021, 05:26:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on March 05, 2021, 04:40:19 PM
    Wouldn't the conclave include both? 

    Exactly. Which underlines the absurdity in such reasoning. It's a dead end.

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    Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?

    Not sure, but like nearly every Free Papa-Bennyist, he's definitely an Insulter/Moto Proprio guy.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #26 on: March 05, 2021, 05:57:55 PM »
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    • Benedict said repeatedly Francis is Pope even if he continues to wear the Papal cassock. Francis has Benedict bless and greet his new Cardinals. I wonder if he holds to a theory that Ann Barnhardt alluded to once, that Benedict sees himself as the spiritual side of the Papal office and Francis the active side. Benedict did make an ambiguous resignation statement, but that is perhaps his mode of expression, or just active-spiritual bifurcated Papal office. Not a Bennyvacantist, for Benedict is fundamentally the same as Francis only he expresses himself differently, and the office cannot be divided. What Benedict says, however he dresses, he doesn't exercise any Papal office. Francis does. Perhaps he doesn't exercise the office rightly, but exercise he does. Francis is there with the power, which Benedict doesn't have. 
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #27 on: March 05, 2021, 05:58:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on March 05, 2021, 04:40:19 PM
    Wouldn't the conclave include both? Given voting is secret, how will Bugnolo know which cardinal voted for the man elected?

    Also, what does Bugnolo think of Vatican II?
    Being pro-Benedict as still the pope, wouldn't he have to be pro-Benedict's favourite council.
    BTW, just found this:
    https://fromrome.info/2020/10/17/gestapo-of-the-new-world-order-arrest-br-bugnolo-today/
    I believe that Benedict is not the pope.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #28 on: March 05, 2021, 08:24:51 PM »
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    • Seems that this thing really picked up steam after Fr Kramers colossal Resignationist-Summa. Its too bad he didn't devote so many scruples into his dubious reception of Holy Orders.
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    Re: Are There Any Bennyvacantists On Cathinfo?
    « Reply #29 on: March 06, 2021, 08:12:48 AM »
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    • During these abnormal times, I believe too much energy is placed on these VII so-called if you will, "popes," of which most of you agree do not resemble Peter.  

    I urge all of you to spend a little time each day to read

     Mystici Corporis
    The Mystical Body of Christ, the Church
    Pope Pius XII - 1943

    There you will read words to explain what the Catholic Church is, it is CHRIST!

    "   As Bellarmine notes with acuмen and accuracy, 93 this appellation of the Body of Christ is not to be explained solely by the fact that Christ must be called the Head of His Mystical Body, but also by the fact that He so sustains the Church, and so in a certain sense lives in the Church, that she is, as it were, another Christ. The Doctor of the Gentiles, in his letter to the Corinthians, affirms this when, without further qualification, he calls the Church “Christ,”
    following no doubt the example of his Master who called out to him from on high when he was attacking the Church: “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?”95
    Indeed, if we are to believe Gregory of Nyssa, the Church is often called simply “Christ” by the Apostle; 96 and you are familiar, Venerable Brethren, with that phrase of Augustine: “Christ preaches Christ.”97
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