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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on May 03, 2021, 12:38:58 PM
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Do you suspect there are any infiltrators or government agents who go to your chapel and pretend to be trads but are really spies? Some people at my chapel suspect one of our servers of being a FED.
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I think one of the ladies in the choir or possibly her daughter might be a plant, they always wear green. :fryingpan:
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FEDS? How about converso jews at your chapel? How many do you have?
It seems almost every chapel has it's little group of jews.
What is the chance they are fake converts, i.e., Marranos?
If they are sympathetic to Israel, they are fake and need to be closely watched.
Keeping aware of what your chapel jews are doing is a universal Catholic practice.
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FEDS? How about converso jews at your chapel? How many do you have?
We have one. He is one of the longest term members. He seems honest, except that he got the vaxx.
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With so many changes in the SSPX, I would not doubt if some at the top are actually infiltrators.
This neo-SSPX should be avoided.
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I don't know, but, I know for a fact that there are Novus Ordites there.
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I am glad that this issued is posted. Our first encounter with infiltrators was in Edinburgh, Scotland. There for 3 weeks visiting and each week in July saw trouble in SSPX. (July 2019). Then spoke with people from Malaysia and they too experienced what we did. They said the word "infiltrators", then I agreed, yes!
This should not be surprising, but the parishes need to keep note of being watchful, aware, and give them no attention.
What we noticed was women demanding not to wear head coverings, wearing slacks. Then Priest having a homily on Christ present in both species. Then after distributing Eucharist, 2 people come to the communion rail, with white gloves and both receive wine. (We know that a crumb is all needed to have Christ). The next Sunday, Benediction after Mass. After Eucharist, half the people left and never came back! Very sad, but that was SSPX in Scotland. We went as observers and we kept Our Sunday Holy.
I know of a Traditional Church with independent priest being watched by New Order to report back to bishop of dioceses. That priest knew of it. 1986.
I do think it should be an issue to speak of and how to handle it. Ushers are very important to watch and to maintain dress codes and such. Once they start, if you don't stop, they will continue. You can start off "friendly" and how is that defined? But you must nip things in a bud. We know that Christ is Truly Present, then be sure to have greeters, and that they do their job.
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Do you suspect there are any infiltrators or government agents who go to your chapel and pretend to be trads but are really spies?
Charity "thinketh no evil" (1 Cor. 13:5).
Some people at my chapel suspect one of our servers of being a FED.
What are the grounds for that suspicion?
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What are "and FEDS"?
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I think OP means "and Meds" as in, is anyone giving out meds at your chapel?
Pretty crazy idea, never head of such a think.
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A federal agent pretending to be a trad? It would take years of training to learn not only the doctrines that we believe, but to memorize the prayers and learn all the other things that we pick up over the course of a lifetime, that would be necessary to make a convincing act of being a trad.
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Do you really think spooks take classes at Langley on which saint to pray to to help your cat get better, or where the Council of Trent was held, or the story of the 40 Holy Martyrs? Or how much of an indulgence you get for saying the rosary? Any trad's head is crammed with those and similar facts, which as I said could only take a lifetime to acquire.
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The idea seems borderline impossible, so unless the person you suspect of this is wearing a discreet earpiece and seems to be receiving verbal cues from it when he's talking to you, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Any trad's head is crammed with those and similar facts, which as I said could only take a lifetime to acquire.
I think you overestimate the avg trad. By a lot.
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Nah. The feds hang out on innernet forums. For some reason they usually use hairy animals as avatars.
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A federal agent pretending to be a trad? It would take years of training to learn not only the doctrines that we believe, but to memorize the prayers and learn all the other things that we pick up over the course of a lifetime, that would be necessary to make a convincing act of being a trad.
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Do you really think spooks take classes at Langley on which saint to pray to to help your cat get better, or where the Council of Trent was held, or the story of the 40 Holy Martyrs? Or how much of an indulgence you get for saying the rosary? Any trad's head is crammed with those and similar facts, which as I said could only take a lifetime to acquire.
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The idea seems borderline impossible, so unless the person you suspect of this is wearing a discreet earpiece and seems to be receiving verbal cues from it when he's talking to you, I wouldn't worry about it.
Good points. However, as we have seen in the infiltrations of various sects in recent history, the typical strategy would not be to train a fed to fein Catholicism. Rather, they would likely lure a weak Catholic into some sort of trap (think firearm infringement a la ruby řidge) and then use him as an informant in lieu of jail time. I believe this is possible, especially as things ratchet up in terms of repression, and our Religion becomes more and more apparent to them as a conspicuous group refusing to comply. Also, with the "january 6th comission" being headed by the ADL - who has traditional Catholics explicitly and publicly in their crosshairs - I think it very likely indeed.
The main unherent safeguard against this is the confessional, since any practicing Catholic (one regular enough to prove an asset to the enemy) who found himself in this situation would certainly confess to what transpired. I believe any priest worth his salt would withhold absolution until the snitch fixed the problem as best he could.
I know for a fact that Kansas City's SSPX had some sort of snitch report them to the self-appointed medical authorities due to a lack of masks... surely the big acronym agencies have their eyes on us as well... especially when the ADL is involved, as they despise Christ and His Church.
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I can tell you that a few weeks a go, the more obvious Fed-Neocaths were shilling for Bruce Kardashian.
They also tend to over-focus on issues like abortion, while going on the attack against "racists" and other bogeymen counting on the spirit of self-righteousness of a few other to join in.
Do you suspect there are any infiltrators or government agents who go to your chapel and pretend to be trads but are really spies? Some people at my chapel suspect one of our servers of being a FED.
Feds don't usually get directly involved unless the group becomes too large. What they do is look for people with higher aspirations but who have stronger narcissistic tendencies and are unfamiliar with cosmopolitanism and realpolitik. On the old ABLF forum, Tele and PereJoseph discussed this about Bishop Fellay.
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A federal agent pretending to be a trad? It would take years of training to learn not only the doctrines that we believe, but to memorize the prayers and learn all the other things that we pick up over the course of a lifetime, that would be necessary to make a convincing act of being a trad.
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Do you really think spooks take classes at Langley on which saint to pray to to help your cat get better, or where the Council of Trent was held, or the story of the 40 Holy Martyrs? Or how much of an indulgence you get for saying the rosary? Any trad's head is crammed with those and similar facts, which as I said could only take a lifetime to acquire.
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The idea seems borderline impossible, so unless the person you suspect of this is wearing a discreet earpiece and seems to be receiving verbal cues from it when he's talking to you, I wouldn't worry about it.
It wouldn't take years of training. All you have to do is sit in the pew and just keep coming until people get used to you. However, I don't see why they'd bother.
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I can tell you that a few weeks a go, the more obvious Fed-Neocaths were shilling for Bruce Kardashian.
They also tend to over-focus on issues like abortion, while going on the attack against "racists" and other bogeymen counting on the spirit of self-righteousness of a few other to join in.
Feds don't usually get directly involved unless the group becomes too large. What they do is look for people with higher aspirations but who have stronger narcissistic tendencies and are unfamiliar with cosmopolitanism and realpolitik. On the old ABLF forum, Tele and PereJoseph discussed this about Bishop Fellay.
Do I even want to know who Bruce Kardashian is? (I honestly never heard of him)
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USA is like East Germany. There is an American Stasi with agents, auxiliaries and snitches in every organization, chapel, forum and Walmart with sweet and innocent-looking old ladies working the registers who report what targeted people are saying after probing them with "small talk". They match the talking shopper with the credit card used, and there begins a new file and surveillance on an American citizen. Many neighborhoods have snitches, too. It's a lot bigger than you realize.
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Heard a trad Catholic story in a Cincinnati chapel, years back, where infiltrators got in with the chapel pro-lifers.
After some time, they used their influence to try to provoke the group into anti-abortion violence.
In the same chapel, one of the trad ladies, a jewess convert, appeared such a deeply knowledgeable trad Catholic, she could have led her own chapel ladies club. Later, she went off the deep-end and turned on Catholicism.
The point I'm making, these infiltration tactics are all very possible and even more so now.
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Heard a trad Catholic story in a Cincinnati chapel, years back, where infiltrators got in with the chapel pro-lifers.
After some time, they used their influence to try to provoke the group into anti-abortion violence.
In the same chapel, one of the trad ladies, a jewess convert, appeared such a deeply knowledgeable trad Catholic, she could have led her own chapel ladies club. Later, she went off the deep-end and turned on Catholicism.
The point I'm making, these infiltration tactics are all very possible and even more so now.
But because of false brethren secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy out our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage ~ Galatians 2:4
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Do you suspect there are any infiltrators or government agents who go to your chapel and pretend to be trads but are really spies? Some people at my chapel suspect one of our servers of being a FED.
This is probably nothing to worry about but is easily dealt with. Don't discuss certain topics with anyone you haven't known for over a year. If a new parishioner keeps trying to turn the conversation to ....controversial matters that could attract the wrong kind of attention then avoid this person and calmly let other people know that they should watch what they say around him. He is probably a nut but to be on the safe side, silence is golden.
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I think in most SSPX and other Trad chapels the Feds could find a stool pigeon pretty easily. That is my impression after going to TLMs for the last 47 years.
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This is probably nothing to worry about but is easily dealt with. Don't discuss certain topics with anyone you haven't known for over a year. If a new parishioner keeps trying to turn the conversation to ....controversial matters that could attract the wrong kind of attention then avoid this person and calmly let other people know that they should watch what they say around him. He is probably a nut but to be on the safe side, silence is golden.
Haven't known for over a year? If I haven't known you since I was like 5, you're doing well if you get more than a good morning out of me. Some people are more social I guess.
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I worry about going to a new chapel. I'm new to an area and don't want a confessor that carries their phone into the confessional (this breaks the seal but I don't think all priests think about this) or is a fed. I haven't seen a horror story about confessionals at trad chapels but I assume 5-10% of priests minimum are feds. Imagine new converts at the generals getting visits later... This will be a reality in the coming years.
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Not federal agents, but people were speaking about spies from the diocese at the indult reporting anything the priest says that was too traditional. There may be spies at the SSPX too.
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don't want a confessor that carries their phone into the confessional (this breaks the seal but I don't think all priests think about this)
How do you know he does or doesn't?
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How do you know he does or doesn't?
or the guy who has his phone in his pocket like 95% of the entire human race. some of you think we live in stalinist russia
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I worry about going to a new chapel. I'm new to an area and don't want a confessor that carries their phone into the confessional (this breaks the seal but I don't think all priests think about this) or is a fed. I haven't seen a horror story about confessionals at trad chapels but I assume 5-10% of priests minimum are feds. Imagine new converts at the generals getting visits later... This will be a reality in the coming years.
None of my business, but why would the feds be interested in your confessions?
Not that I’d want a priest bringing a cell phone into the confessional—ours told us years ago NOT to bring ours in, ever.
5-10% of Trad priests are federal agents? Really??? Do you wear a tinfoil hat? Where have you been going to Mass? Area 51?
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None of my business, but why would the feds be interested in your confessions?
Think about dragnet surveillance for one moment and why confessions would be exempt from big tech's collecting EVERYTHING
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5-10% of Trad priests are federal agents? Really??? Do you wear a tinfoil hat? Where have you been going to Mass? Area 51?
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If they infiltrated and took over the mainstream Church even to the level of the papacy, don't you think they would try to infiltrate the resistance?
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I assume 5-10% of priests minimum are feds.
Are you serious???
You're insane! I'm not allergic to the CIA bludgeon "cօռspιʀαcʏ theorist", and won't shy away from the truth even if it's unpopular.
But that doesn't mean that some so-called "cօռspιʀαcʏ theories" aren't batshit insane. And this is one of them.
How would 5-10% of priests MINIMUM be federal agents? You do know that a priest has to go through 6 years of seminary formation, and be ordained publicly at one of a handful of Traditional seminaries, right? And that Tradition is a small world?
They'd be hard pressed to get ONE agent into a Trad group. How would that work exactly? They are trained as a fed during their last couple years of Homeschool (age 16-18) and then they enter a normal Seminary for 6 years and get ordained a priest, so they'll be accepted as a priest by Trads.
See how insane that sounds? Most Trad vocations are *young* vocations. Their years are all accounted for. Many go from SSPX schools or Homeschool right to the seminary. When I was at the seminary, if you were 24 you were older than most seminarians, even many upper-years.
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If they infiltrated and took over the mainstream Church even to the level of the papacy, don't you think they would try to infiltrate the resistance?
You can't just randomly extend lines or take mental shortcuts. It doesn't work that way.
Why infiltrate a microscopic group? Who cares about such a small group? Even if they maintain the true Catholic faith, 99.999% of the country won't have access to one of these chapels, so it's still Mission Accomplished for the destroyers. It's like saying the Germans aren't just blowing up shipping in the Atlantic, but they are spending thousands of man-hours scouring every square-foot of the ocean looking for 4-man rubber lifeboats as well.
A) a tiny group is much more close-knit and hard to infiltrate. Everyone knows everyone. B) the payoff is not worth it, because even if you gained full control of the group, it's insignificant.
The SSPX is a large group. They got influenced, taken over, or whatever but only AFTER they became a huge, influential organization -- probably over 80% of the whole Trad movement as measured in Trad population, # of priests, real estate, etc.
Even more so the Catholic Church -- about 10,000X the SSPX. They even have the official title "Catholic Church" and the global prestige associated with the Pope.
You need to put down AA-1025. Even if that book were 100% true, it only spoke about a broad plot to infiltrate *the entire Catholic Church* pre-Vatican II. When there are thousands of seminaries worldwide, each with HUNDREDS of seminarians, it's much easier to infiltrate a bunch of plants. It's like trying to shoplift a Wal-mart vs. trying to shoplift a small jewelry store where the one employee is pretty much constantly watching you.
History doesn't repeat that way, silly. If it did, then any 80 IQ normie would be a wise genius. No, it's always a bit different. Things are more complex than that. History might rhyme, but it never repeats exactly.
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Are you serious???
You're insane! I'm not allergic to the CIA bludgeon "cօռspιʀαcʏ theorist", and won't shy away from the truth even if it's unpopular.
But that doesn't mean that some so-called "cօռspιʀαcʏ theories" aren't batshit insane. And this is one of them.
How would 5-10% of priests MINIMUM be federal agents? You do know that a priest has to go through 6 years of seminary formation, and be ordained publicly at one of a handful of Traditional seminaries, right? And that Tradition is a small world?
They'd be hard pressed to get ONE agent into a Trad group. How would that work exactly? They are trained as a fed during their last couple years of Homeschool (age 16-18) and then they enter a normal Seminary for 6 years and get ordained a priest, so they'll be accepted as a priest by Trads.
See how insane that sounds? Most Trad vocations are *young* vocations. Their years are all accounted for. Many go from SSPX schools or Homeschool right to the seminary. When I was at the seminary, if you were 24 you were older than most seminarians, even many upper-years.
If you're counting SSPX then 5-10% is totally plausible, they don't even conditionally ordain priests from NO. I totally agree with you if we're just talking sede/resistance.
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If you're counting SSPX then 5-10% is totally plausible, they don't even conditionally ordain priests from NO. I totally agree with you if we're just talking sede/resistance.
This is me. Sorry, the Anon setup can be awkward. Maybe names should be default on this forum?
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why would the feds be interested in your confessions?
Not that I’d want a priest bringing a cell phone into the confessional—ours told us years ago NOT to bring ours in, ever.
Does it really matter? The demons can always hear your confessions, and I'm sure it they can't stand penitents' humility.
The seal of confession is to prevent confessors from blackening the names of their penitents. It doesn't forbid confessors from revealing anything good learned about a penitent in the confessional.
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It doesn't forbid confessors from revealing anything good learned about a penitent in the confessional.
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Ran into a fed, maybe 2 Feds last week, 1 female, 1 male. 2 people I've never seen at mass before. They hang out after in the hall for awhile and it was so interesting. In a way they were trying to rabble rouse eachother the male kept saying things like we gotta band together the female was agreeing. But it was very obvious what was happening.
Just telling everyone to be careful. The feds/commies/satanist are out in full force.
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Yes, this happened in SSPX in Edinburgh Scotland July 2019 about 6 women there, infiltrators, in pants and refuse to cover their heads.
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And of course they are on sites like this one.
When someone starts talking about weapons and asks everyone what they have that is a red flag. Also, incitement to violence.
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Maybe they can be coopted or blackmailed after they become priests to be FBI b!tches.
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Maybe they can be coopted or blackmailed after they become priests to be FBI b!tches.
I missed checking the "not anonymous" box.
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And of course they are on sites like this one.
When someone starts talking about weapons and asks everyone what they have that is a red flag. Also, incitement to violence.
If I owned guns I certainly wouldn't advertise it in threads like the recent ones we've been seeing on this board in the last few days. I thought all gun owners were paranoid but I guess the need to flex supercedes their operational security.
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If I owned guns I certainly wouldn't advertise it in threads like the recent ones we've been seeing on this board in the last few days. I thought all gun owners were paranoid but I guess the need to flex supercedes their operational security.
Never count your money at the table. The more people who know what you have, and roughly where you have it located, be it money or valuables, the less safe you are.
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If I owned guns I certainly wouldn't advertise it in threads like the recent ones we've been seeing on this board in the last few days.
Exactly.
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Exactly.
Pronto.
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Yes, this happened in SSPX in Edinburgh Scotland July 2019 about 6 women there, infiltrators, in pants and refuse to cover their heads.
maybe they were new?
cathinfo: "she doesn't look exactly like us even though she's new to tradition! feds/commies/jews are spying on us"