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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2021, 10:50:16 AM »
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  •  5-10% of Trad priests are federal agents?  Really???  Do you wear a tinfoil hat?  Where have you been going to Mass?  Area 51?
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    If they infiltrated and took over the mainstream Church even to the level of the papacy, don't you think they would try to infiltrate the resistance?  

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #31 on: July 11, 2021, 10:50:43 AM »
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  • I assume 5-10% of priests minimum are feds.

    Are you serious???

    You're insane! I'm not allergic to the CIA bludgeon "cօռspιʀαcʏ theorist", and won't shy away from the truth even if it's unpopular.

    But that doesn't mean that some so-called "cօռspιʀαcʏ theories" aren't batshit insane. And this is one of them.

    How would 5-10% of priests MINIMUM be federal agents? You do know that a priest has to go through 6 years of seminary formation, and be ordained publicly at one of a handful of Traditional seminaries, right? And that Tradition is a small world?

    They'd be hard pressed to get ONE agent into a Trad group. How would that work exactly? They are trained as a fed during their last couple years of Homeschool (age 16-18) and then they enter a normal Seminary for 6 years and get ordained a priest, so they'll be accepted as a priest by Trads.

    See how insane that sounds? Most Trad vocations are *young* vocations. Their years are all accounted for. Many go from SSPX schools or Homeschool right to the seminary. When I was at the seminary, if you were 24 you were older than most seminarians, even many upper-years.
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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #32 on: July 11, 2021, 10:58:09 AM »
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  • If they infiltrated and took over the mainstream Church even to the level of the papacy, don't you think they would try to infiltrate the resistance?  

    You can't just randomly extend lines or take mental shortcuts. It doesn't work that way.

    Why infiltrate a microscopic group? Who cares about such a small group? Even if they maintain the true Catholic faith, 99.999% of the country won't have access to one of these chapels, so it's still Mission Accomplished for the destroyers. It's like saying the Germans aren't just blowing up shipping in the Atlantic, but they are spending thousands of man-hours scouring every square-foot of the ocean looking for 4-man rubber lifeboats as well.
    A) a tiny group is much more close-knit and hard to infiltrate. Everyone knows everyone. B) the payoff is not worth it, because even if you gained full control of the group, it's insignificant.

    The SSPX is a large group. They got influenced, taken over, or whatever but only AFTER they became a huge, influential organization -- probably over 80% of the whole Trad movement as measured in Trad population, # of priests, real estate, etc.

    Even more so the Catholic Church -- about 10,000X the SSPX. They even have the official title "Catholic Church" and the global prestige associated with the Pope.

    You need to put down AA-1025. Even if that book were 100% true, it only spoke about a broad plot to infiltrate *the entire Catholic Church* pre-Vatican II. When there are thousands of seminaries worldwide, each with HUNDREDS of seminarians, it's much easier to infiltrate a bunch of plants. It's like trying to shoplift a Wal-mart vs. trying to shoplift a small jewelry store where the one employee is pretty much constantly watching you.

    History doesn't repeat that way, silly. If it did, then any 80 IQ normie would be a wise genius. No, it's always a bit different. Things are more complex than that. History might rhyme, but it never repeats exactly.
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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #33 on: July 11, 2021, 05:02:59 PM »
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  • Are you serious???

    You're insane! I'm not allergic to the CIA bludgeon "cօռspιʀαcʏ theorist", and won't shy away from the truth even if it's unpopular.

    But that doesn't mean that some so-called "cօռspιʀαcʏ theories" aren't batshit insane. And this is one of them.

    How would 5-10% of priests MINIMUM be federal agents? You do know that a priest has to go through 6 years of seminary formation, and be ordained publicly at one of a handful of Traditional seminaries, right? And that Tradition is a small world?

    They'd be hard pressed to get ONE agent into a Trad group. How would that work exactly? They are trained as a fed during their last couple years of Homeschool (age 16-18) and then they enter a normal Seminary for 6 years and get ordained a priest, so they'll be accepted as a priest by Trads.

    See how insane that sounds? Most Trad vocations are *young* vocations. Their years are all accounted for. Many go from SSPX schools or Homeschool right to the seminary. When I was at the seminary, if you were 24 you were older than most seminarians, even many upper-years.
    If you're counting SSPX then 5-10% is totally plausible, they don't even conditionally ordain priests from NO. I totally agree with you if we're just talking sede/resistance. 

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #34 on: July 11, 2021, 05:05:52 PM »
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  • If you're counting SSPX then 5-10% is totally plausible, they don't even conditionally ordain priests from NO. I totally agree with you if we're just talking sede/resistance.
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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #35 on: July 11, 2021, 06:58:55 PM »
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  • why would the feds be interested in your confessions?
    Not that I’d want a priest bringing a cell phone into the confessional—ours told us years ago NOT to bring ours in, ever.
    Does it really matter? The demons can always hear your confessions, and I'm sure it they can't stand penitents' humility.

    The seal of confession is to prevent confessors from blackening the names of their penitents. It doesn't forbid confessors from revealing anything good learned about a penitent in the confessional.
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    « Reply #36 on: July 11, 2021, 07:27:29 PM »
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    It doesn't forbid confessors from revealing anything good learned about a penitent in the confessional.

    ?  What?

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #37 on: July 22, 2021, 12:21:15 PM »
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  • Ran into a fed, maybe 2 Feds last week, 1 female, 1 male.  2 people I've never seen at mass before.  They hang out after in the hall for awhile and it was so interesting.  In a way they were trying to rabble rouse eachother the male kept saying things like we gotta band together the female was agreeing.  But it was very obvious what was happening.

    Just telling everyone to be careful.  The feds/commies/satanist are out in full force.


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    « Reply #38 on: July 22, 2021, 04:17:55 PM »
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  • Yes, this happened in SSPX in Edinburgh Scotland July 2019 about 6 women there, infiltrators, in pants and refuse to cover their heads.

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    « Reply #39 on: July 22, 2021, 04:23:15 PM »
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  • And of course they are on sites like this one.

    When someone starts talking about weapons and asks everyone what they have that is a red flag. Also, incitement to violence.

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    « Reply #40 on: July 22, 2021, 08:04:16 PM »
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  • Maybe they can be coopted or blackmailed after they become priests to be FBI b!tches. 


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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #41 on: July 22, 2021, 08:05:37 PM »
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  • Maybe they can be coopted or blackmailed after they become priests to be FBI b!tches.
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    « Reply #42 on: July 22, 2021, 09:00:52 PM »
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  • And of course they are on sites like this one.

    When someone starts talking about weapons and asks everyone what they have that is a red flag. Also, incitement to violence.
    If I owned guns I certainly wouldn't advertise it in threads like the recent ones we've been seeing on this board in the last few days. I thought all gun owners were paranoid but I guess the need to flex supercedes their operational security.

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #43 on: July 23, 2021, 11:00:39 AM »
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  • If I owned guns I certainly wouldn't advertise it in threads like the recent ones we've been seeing on this board in the last few days. I thought all gun owners were paranoid but I guess the need to flex supercedes their operational security.
    As someone who competed for decades in local and international shooting competition alongside military and cops, as someone who ran for state office (I lost) on a strong 2A platform in the most anti-gun state, as someone finger-printed and background-checked with concealed weapon licenses, as someone who testified to Congress and state legislatures to [successfully!] unfund the CDC's gun ban polemicists, as someone with two dozen peer-reviewed publications exposing the gun banners' junk science, and as a former FFL/SOT— what are the chances that I am unknown in any gun database?
    I understand and support your concern for OPSEC, but somebody had to stand up in the open and the time is long past for me to "close the barn door."  …You are welcome.

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #44 on: July 23, 2021, 01:00:07 PM »
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  • If I owned guns I certainly wouldn't advertise it in threads like the recent ones we've been seeing on this board in the last few days. I thought all gun owners were paranoid but I guess the need to flex supercedes their operational security.
    Never count your money at the table.  The more people who know what you have, and roughly where you have it located, be it money or valuables, the less safe you are.


     

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