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Author Topic: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?  (Read 3571 times)

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Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2021, 08:29:12 PM »
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  • A federal agent pretending to be a trad? It would take years of training to learn not only the doctrines that we believe, but to memorize the prayers and learn all the other things that we pick up over the course of a lifetime, that would be necessary to make a convincing act of being a trad.
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    Do you really think spooks take classes at Langley on which saint to pray to to help your cat get better, or where the Council of Trent was held, or the story of the 40 Holy Martyrs? Or how much of an indulgence you get for saying the rosary? Any trad's head is crammed with those and similar facts, which as I said could only take a lifetime to acquire.
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    The idea seems borderline impossible, so unless the person you suspect of this is wearing a discreet earpiece and seems to be receiving verbal cues from it when he's talking to you, I wouldn't worry about it.
    It wouldn't take years of training. All you have to do is sit in the pew and just keep coming until people get used to you. However, I don't see why they'd bother. 


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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #16 on: May 27, 2021, 08:38:35 PM »
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  • I can tell you that a few weeks a go, the more obvious Fed-Neocaths were shilling for Bruce Kardashian.

    They also tend to over-focus on issues like abortion, while going on the attack against "racists" and other bogeymen counting on the spirit of self-righteousness of a few other to join in.

    Feds don't usually get directly involved unless the group becomes too large. What they do is look for people with higher aspirations but who have stronger narcissistic tendencies and are unfamiliar with cosmopolitanism and realpolitik. On the old ABLF forum, Tele and PereJoseph discussed this about Bishop Fellay.  
    Do I even want to know who Bruce Kardashian is? (I honestly never heard of him)


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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #17 on: May 27, 2021, 09:13:24 PM »
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  • USA is like East Germany. There is an American Stasi with agents, auxiliaries and snitches in every organization, chapel, forum and Walmart with sweet and innocent-looking old ladies working the registers who report what targeted people are saying after probing them with "small talk". They match the talking shopper with the credit card used, and there begins a new file and surveillance on an American citizen. Many neighborhoods have snitches, too. It's a lot bigger than you realize.

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #18 on: May 27, 2021, 09:36:23 PM »
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  • Heard a trad Catholic story in a Cincinnati chapel, years back, where infiltrators got in with the chapel pro-lifers.

    After some time, they used their influence to try to provoke the group into anti-abortion violence.

    In the same chapel, one of the trad ladies, a Jєωess convert, appeared such a deeply knowledgeable trad Catholic, she could have led her own chapel ladies club.  Later, she went off the deep-end and turned on Catholicism.

    The point I'm making, these infiltration tactics are all very possible and even more so now.

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2021, 09:39:18 PM »
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  • Heard a trad Catholic story in a Cincinnati chapel, years back, where infiltrators got in with the chapel pro-lifers.

    After some time, they used their influence to try to provoke the group into anti-abortion violence.

    In the same chapel, one of the trad ladies, a Jєωess convert, appeared such a deeply knowledgeable trad Catholic, she could have led her own chapel ladies club.  Later, she went off the deep-end and turned on Catholicism.

    The point I'm making, these infiltration tactics are all very possible and even more so now.
    But because of false brethren secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy out our freedom which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage ~ Galatians 2:4


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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #20 on: May 29, 2021, 07:17:32 PM »
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  • Do you suspect there are any infiltrators or government agents who go to your chapel and pretend to be trads but are really spies? Some people at my chapel suspect one of our servers of being a FED.
    This is probably nothing to worry about but is easily dealt with. Don't discuss certain topics with anyone you haven't known for over a year. If a new parishioner keeps trying to turn the conversation to ....controversial matters that could attract the wrong kind of  attention  then avoid this person and calmly let other people know that they should watch what they say around him. He is probably a nut but to be on the safe side, silence is golden. 

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #21 on: June 04, 2021, 09:10:42 PM »
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  • I think in most SSPX and other Trad chapels the Feds could find a stool pigeon pretty easily.  That is my impression after going to TLMs for the last 47 years. 

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #22 on: June 04, 2021, 10:14:34 PM »
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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #23 on: June 24, 2021, 09:23:58 AM »
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  • This is probably nothing to worry about but is easily dealt with. Don't discuss certain topics with anyone you haven't known for over a year. If a new parishioner keeps trying to turn the conversation to ....controversial matters that could attract the wrong kind of  attention  then avoid this person and calmly let other people know that they should watch what they say around him. He is probably a nut but to be on the safe side, silence is golden.
     Haven't known for over a year?  If I haven't known you since I was like 5, you're doing well if you get more than a good morning out of me.  Some people are more social I guess.

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #24 on: July 05, 2021, 03:47:23 AM »
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  • I worry about going to a new chapel. I'm new to an area and don't want a confessor that carries their phone into the confessional (this breaks the seal but I don't think all priests think about this) or is a fed. I haven't seen a horror story about confessionals at trad chapels but I assume 5-10% of priests minimum are feds. Imagine new converts at the generals getting visits later... This will be a reality in the coming years.
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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #25 on: July 05, 2021, 09:01:21 AM »
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  • Not federal agents, but people were speaking about spies from the diocese at the indult reporting anything the priest says that was too traditional. There may be spies at the SSPX too. 


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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #26 on: July 10, 2021, 09:09:08 PM »
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  • don't want a confessor that carries their phone into the confessional (this breaks the seal but I don't think all priests think about this)
    How do you know he does or doesn't?

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #27 on: July 10, 2021, 09:14:00 PM »
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  • How do you know he does or doesn't?
    or the guy who has his phone in his pocket like 95% of the entire human race. some of you think we live in stalinist russia

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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #28 on: July 10, 2021, 09:27:56 PM »
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  • I worry about going to a new chapel. I'm new to an area and don't want a confessor that carries their phone into the confessional (this breaks the seal but I don't think all priests think about this) or is a fed. I haven't seen a horror story about confessionals at trad chapels but I assume 5-10% of priests minimum are feds. Imagine new converts at the generals getting visits later... This will be a reality in the coming years.
    None of my business, but why would the feds be interested in your confessions?
    Not that I’d want a priest bringing a cell phone into the confessional—ours told us years ago NOT to bring ours in, ever.  
    5-10% of Trad priests are federal agents?  Really???  Do you wear a tinfoil hat?  Where have you been going to Mass?  Area 51?
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    Re: Are There and FEDS at Your Trad Chapel?
    « Reply #29 on: July 11, 2021, 10:39:58 AM »
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  • None of my business, but why would the feds be interested in your confessions?
    Think about dragnet surveillance for one moment and why confessions would be exempt from big tech's collecting EVERYTHING