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Re: Can women do the collections at Mass?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2019, 11:10:57 AM »
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  • It is best if men do the ushering and pass the basket, otherwise it becomes creeping modernism.

    Witness: The Novus Ordo increasingly has used female ushers, female readers, female Eucharistic ministers, and female altar servers.

    In some Novus Ordo parishes, women Eucharistic ministers regularly lead the parishioners in the Eucharistic service as there is a shortage of priests. Men who have been ordained to the permanent diaconate sit by while the women preside and distribute communion to the faithful. It just does not make any sense. Why is the Novus Ordo ordaining men to the permanent diaconate if women are taking their place?

    Currently debates are ongoing trying to push the agenda for a female diaconate and a female priesthood. These agendas should ring the bell and cause alarm to all who attend Novus Ordo parishes. This is not the practice of the ancient faith. This is creeping modernism.


    This. It's disordered, on the order of nature, to have men subordinate to women. It inverts God's order. Hmm...what does that remind me of...who was it that always wanted to distort, invert, twist, defile everything God created as good, inverting or flipping around ("revolution") all order created by God? Ah yes! it was the eternal Adversary, satan.

    Let us not take a page out of satan's book, but rather honor and defend God's order in all things. And I hate to break it to some people, but everything God touches is hierarchical. God would be considered most politically incorrect and possessing an "quaint, but wrong" worldview if He mingled with modern liberals and SJWs in human form. 

    God even made 9 distinct choirs of Angels for crying out loud! The idea that we are all completely equal in anything (except our value in God's eyes) is LUDICROUS to a believer in God.

    - Matthew

    P.S. I understand the dilemma all too well. Our chapel is not large, and we have a real "man shortage". Once you subtract a server, we usually just have three men left among the "regulars": one to play the organ, one to lead the singing, and another man who sings in the choir. But the Offertory is a very busy time: there is singing with organ accompaniment, a busy altar server at the credence table, AND it's time to take up the collection! You can see the problem. I usually ask one of the older male parishioners to take care of it -- if there is one. Otherwise I get creative and take up a collection during the Postcommunion or something.

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    Re: Can women do the collections at Mass?
    « Reply #16 on: April 05, 2019, 01:12:59 PM »
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  • I've been to a trad chapel with a woman coordinator.  I felt like I was at a novus ordo chapel.  She was very imposing.  Telling everyone to go get food, go sit down, please enjoy yourselves.  Too much.  No women doing collections.  I don't go to that chapel I mentioned and I wouldn't go to the one with women collectors.


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    Re: Can women do the collections at Mass?
    « Reply #17 on: April 05, 2019, 06:43:09 PM »
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  • this type of question usually comes from two types of people the first one is from trad newbies shocked that anything imperfect happened at a chapel. the second is from some type of whimpy ball less man who doesn't do anything at his chapel except complain. this type makes it necessary for women to do things he should be doing since he is too lazy to do them.
    These two types of men are exemplified by the trouble at OLMC.
    one the Pfeiffer type runs around accomplishing nothing but making themselves the only men in existence who does anything right( in their own mind, sowing confusion everywhere).
    or the Hewko model who attaches to a cause all gung ho without thinking about the consequences of his views.
    the women then who do something so practical as pick up money (which is usually so little,another story) since the lazy he man cant be bothered is the bad guy

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    Re: Can women do the collections at Mass?
    « Reply #18 on: April 06, 2019, 11:38:54 AM »
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  • Said "tradition" is not sanctioned by the Church.  Please read St. Pius X's Moto Proprio ... Tra le sollecitudini.

    You're confusing various practices with Church Tradition.  At one point, the use of dialog Masses had become "traditional" as well.

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    Re: Can women do the collections at Mass?
    « Reply #19 on: April 06, 2019, 11:42:38 AM »
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  • Folks, it looks like we have a pseudo-intellectual here.

    What we have here, on the other hand, is a non-intellectual, an idiot, as it were.  I asked you to explain that if the principle you enunciated is true, that woman cannot participate in any chapel "functions", why, on the basis of what principle, is there an exception made for women in choir?  This helps elucidate the principle, which then is not categorically true.  But your low-grade-moron response is basically that it had become common practice, and then you proceed to quote Scripture out of context like any common Prot.

    Again, read St. Pius X on sacred music and get back to use armed with a little actual information.


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    Re: Can women do the collections at Mass?
    « Reply #20 on: April 06, 2019, 12:04:39 PM »
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  • My response is in keeping with St. Pius  X's teaching on Sacred Music.  Any LITURGICAL singing is a function of the clerical state, and therefore women cannot exercise it.  They can participate in singing other things, provided there's no risk of inciting concupiscence.  But they cannot sing the liturgical portions ... and yet this is done anyway in most Trad chapels.

    One can make a case for the fact that the singing in a Missa Cantata is not strictly liturgical, since the priest and servers make all the responses anyway, that it's just more window-dressing.  But in a Missa Solemnis, the choir makes the responses in lieu of the servers, and therefore it's liturgical function.

    Now, o dull-witted one, the major point is that it's not true that women cannot participate in any chapel functions.  The principal here, as Matthew also agreed, is that men should not be in a position to be subordinated to men.  In an all-female congregation, for instance, say at a girls' school, there would be nothing wrong with women taking up the collection.

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    Re: Can women do the collections at Mass?
    « Reply #21 on: April 06, 2019, 12:07:02 PM »
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  • Sounds like you're intimidated by the slightest hint of masculinity. I know snowflakes yell "misogyny" when they face the masculine.

    Misogynists always claim that they're just being men.  Most of the time, however, it comes from a place of insecurity vis-a-vis women, rather than true strength.  It's all in HOW you say it, and not what you say.  In terms of the actual what, I am more restrictive on female participation at chapels than you are ... but my position is based on principles, and not on emotion.