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« on: August 02, 2013, 05:37:00 PM »
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    • "And that my friends is why 'the resistance' will never survive and thrive.  It is made up of perfectionists, pedants, prigs and purists who will never be able to reach a consensus on anything.  A house divided against itself and all that good stuff."

    I'm wondering, why is such a hostile sower of discord, who has said that someone relying on solar power reminds him of "jihadis" - allowed on this board?
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    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 05:39:03 PM »
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    • ggreg has said a lot of questionable things. But I don't know if he should be banned. I have also said some questionable things and I have not been banned.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 02, 2013, 05:46:59 PM »
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    ggreg has said a lot of questionable things. But I don't know if he should be banned. I have also said some questionable things and I have not been banned.


    Why is it that a man is being blamed for his wife's decision to turn to contraception, and why is that being tolerated here?

    Why is it that someone who says he has had reservations about Catholicism for 20 years, but boasts of the fidelity of his extended family, given free rein here to sow discord with baiting words about the resistance?
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    « Reply #3 on: August 02, 2013, 06:09:37 PM »
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    • If Matthew didn't want ggreg here, he wouldn't be here.  

    As he's been posting here for a few years, Matthew must be happy enough.

    And if a man can't correct his wife and stop her from using contraception (against Catholic teaching by the way) then he's just as bad as she is.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 06:34:40 PM »
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    • Maybe Matthew allows ggreg to stay because of the hope that he will convert.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 06:43:15 PM »
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    • How much of a stretch would it be for someone like ggreg to add homeschooling to the list of "control freak" behaviors that lead women to abandon their responsibilities and even to resort to contraception?

    Seriously, the guy sends his children to public school.

    And he says the resistance will fail.

    Why is this being tolerated here?
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    « Reply #6 on: August 02, 2013, 07:07:49 PM »
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    • Is the problem that ggreg thinks the Resistance won't thrive, or that he thinks it's full of 'perfectionists, prigs, etc.?'

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    « Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 07:34:59 PM »
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    Is the problem that ggreg thinks the Resistance won't thrive, or that he thinks it's full of 'perfectionists, prigs, etc.?'


    A group of people who think like him wouldn't be resisting at all.

    He goes alternatively to FSSP.

    It's a gratuitously hostile comment, from someone who sends his children to public school.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 01:15:04 AM »
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    And if a man can't correct his wife and stop her from using contraception (against Catholic teaching by the way) then he's just as bad as she is.
    Shame on you for saying that.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 03, 2013, 03:03:20 AM »
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    Shame on you for saying that



    Why?

    Is the husband not the head of his wife?  Of his household?  Is using contraception not a mortal sin?
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    « Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 03:08:16 AM »
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    We return to where we began, to make clear what we are saying. We
    affirm in this conference that the deliberate practice of contraception
    between husband and wife is objectively a mortal sin. Those who persist in
    its practice are acting contrary to the explicit teaching of the Roman
    Catholic Church. They may protest that they are Catholic. They may profess
    to be Catholics. But their conduct belies their profession.

         
          + The Catholic Church teaches infallible doctrine, both in faith and
            morals.

          + This infallible teaching is done by the Church's extraordinary and
            by her ordinary universal authority or magisterium.

          + The grave sinfulness of contraception is taught infallibly by the
            Church's ordinary universal teaching authority.

          + Therefore, those who defend contraception forfeit their claim to
            being professed Catholics.

          + Consequently, those who persist in their defense of contraception,
            deprive themselves of the divine graces which are reserved to
            bona fide members of the Roman Catholic Church.

    Fr John Hardon


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    « Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 06:18:35 AM »
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    Shame on you for saying that



    Why?

    Is the husband not the head of his wife?  Of his household?  Is using contraception not a mortal sin?
    Is he supposed to lock her inside the house? Women do not need their husband's permission in this society to seek medical "care."  There is free contraception in every county even if he were to cut her off from his insurance.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 03, 2013, 08:31:08 AM »
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    Shame on you for saying that



    Why?

    Is the husband not the head of his wife?  Of his household?  Is using contraception not a mortal sin?


    Yes, yes and yes, but I'm not sure you understand the implications.  They do not end in the conclusion that the man is the cause of the wife's sin.  That's ridiculous.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 03, 2013, 12:41:03 PM »
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    Is he supposed to lock her inside the house? Women do not need their husband's permission in this society to seek medical "care."  There is free contraception in every county even if he were to cut her off from his insurance.



    He's supposed to distance himself from an occasion of mortal sin and to educate his wife as to her responsibilities.  If she won't listen to him then he needs to involve their priest.


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    Yes, yes and yes, but I'm not sure you understand the implications.  They do not end in the conclusion that the man is the cause of the wife's sin.  That's ridiculous.



    I didn't say that the man is the cause of the wife's sin.  If he continues to sleep with her, she is the cause of his sin but he joins her in a condition of mortal sin.  Just like our biblical parents.
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