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Allegedly from Wikileaks...
« on: February 25, 2014, 01:28:33 AM »
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  • http://www.bofads.com/stories/wikileaksilluminati.htm
    This site contains an alleged 1952 MI6 investigation file. The guy in question appears to be called "Alexander Hauser".
    I need a refutation of this docuмent. The docuмent contains blatantly anti-Catholic comments, like Pope Alexander II was a member, all religions on the Earth are false, extraterrestial life exists, etc. (the last ones seem to be fodder)
    Sadly, this docuмent is very hard to refute as it mentions (predicts) real life events such as the train crash.
    I don't want to lose my faith, so I need a refutation of this docuмent. Also, do the insurance files contain this?


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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 01:44:53 AM »
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  • I don't see why you would feel that your faith is threatened.
    The Vatican has always kept as much docuмentation pertaining to the Church as she possibly can. Some of it is good, but the majority of Vatican docuмents are anti-catholic, and viciously so.

    Why wouldn't people who have been hell bent on destroying the church since St. Peter, make claims that all sorts of popes and saints have been evil? They have tried literally every conceivable way to dispute, destroy and marginalize the Church.

    Besides that, this is sourced from an internet site which should never be trusted. Take it from someone who spent the majority of their life trying to disprove the catholic faith-nothing the world can bring against the faith can break it.

    I'm sorry you feel that this is a gut check, but if you do the research, you'll find the truth and you'll end up exactly where you were before you ever saw any of that trash, and have wasted a good bit of time and effort doing so. But, if you're determined to go ahead and try your faith, be sure to at least keep talking to your priest and keep all things in balance.


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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 02:56:35 AM »
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  • This one is not so widespread, but everyone says "IT'S FROM WIKILEAKS". Also, the papers look very authentic.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 04:08:44 AM »
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  • I'd stay away from something of that material. Just because it is from Wikileaks does not make it true.

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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 08:56:21 AM »
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  • Why should this shake your faith? Why should something even more "convincing" along these lines shake your faith? Did Our Lord not prepare us for just such things in just such times?

    "For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be. And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him. For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, beforehand."

    St Matthew xxiv:xxi-xxv


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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 09:56:13 AM »
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  • I have a question: the data box is badly-drawn. Does this imply its' falsicity?

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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 11:19:58 AM »
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  • OP,  rest your head upon the breast of Our Lord, as St. John did, and trust Him.  

    The fact that Wikileaks gets so much mainstream media focus (which is state controlled) always made me suspicious of it's authenticity.  I'm convinced it's another cleverly diabolical AIPAC intelligence operation.  Docuмents are planted, such as the one you reference.

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     More Evidence That Wikileaks Is Disinformation: Wikileaks, A Touch Of Assange, And The Stench Of AIPAC
    I have been saying for a very long time that Wikileaks is nothing more than Israeli controlled Psyops designed to lead people down the wrong path through the usage of disinformation.  I stand firmly behind that conviction, in spite of enduring some comments that think that I am either wrong, or "nuts" for that conviction....


    Now comes the newest article from Gordon Duff, at Veterans Today (www.veteranstoday.com) that backs up my own conviction that Wikileaks is a massive con and psyop to flood the internet with disinformation and lead people away from real truth!  Here is that article in its entirety for my own readers to view:





    WIKILEAKS, A TOUCH OF ASSANGE AND THE STENCH OF AIPAC
    “recent admissions that the Israeli lobby, AIPAC, routinely receives masses of classified information makes them suspect #1 for being the source of Wikileaks”
    By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
    Wikileaks is like a TV show that never gets off the ground.  We started with a “shoot ‘em up” in Iraq, the helicopter slaughter soon forgotten and move on to, well, what?  We got a deluge of material from Afghanistan, carefully gleaned to point fingers at Pakistan.  When it came down to backing any of it up, it went nowhere.
    Considering the massive corruption and drug scandals, even the revelations that President Karzai has been in negotiations with pranksters pretending to be the Talbian, all the really juicy stuff from Afghanistan must have been in another drawer. Then we got Iraq.  Ah, Iraq.  There, we could check.  We know the people who wrote the leaked material.  They told us Wikileaks edited it, altered it, redacted it more than the Pentagon.
    The “Iraq War Log” was, well…phony. There is one thing that has been consistent about Wikileaks and our prediction is that this next batch, reputed to be millions of highly sensitive docuмents, will prove our point. Wikileaks is Israel.

        Wikileaks is an intelligence operation to weaken and undermine the American government, orchestrated from Tel Aviv, using dozens of operatives, dual citizens, some at the highest authority levels, spies for Israel.   Through leaking carefully selected intelligence along with proven falsified docuмents, all fed to a controlled press, fully complicit, Wikileaks is, in fact, an act of war against the United States.

    HOW CAN ISRAEL SIFT THROUGH DEFENSE DOcuмENTS?
    This last week, in a lawsuit over an AIPAC, (Israel’s lobby) employee reputedly fired for being caught spying against the US, news stories across the United States reported that, as part of that $20 million civil case, evidence will be presented that masses of classified material come to AIPAC and Israel continually.  Is AIPAC Wikileaks? The only evidence of any massive leak discovered in the Pentagon is AIPAC.  Last week’s Washington Post story was buried quicker than a carp in a playground: Jeff Stein, at the Washinton Post, reports the following:

        Rosen says his actions were common practice at the organization. He said his next move is to show that AIPAC, Washington’s major pro-Israeli lobbying group by far, regularly traffics in sensitive U.S. government information, especially material related to the Middle East. “I will introduce docuмentary evidence that AIPAC approved of the receipt of classified information,” he said by e-mail. “Most instances of actual receipt are hard to docuмent, because orally received information rarely comes with classified stamps on it nor record’s alerts that the information is classified.”
        But Rosen said he would produce “statements of AIPAC employees to the FBI, internal docuмents, deposition statements, public statements and other evidence showing that [the] receipt of classified information by employees other than [himself] … was condoned … for months prior to being condemned in March 2005 after threats from the prosecutors.”

    How does this apply to Wikileaks?  The answer, if we bother to put the pieces together, is staring us in the face.  The proof, the ultimate proof, however, will be in the current batch of docuмents that have already been prepared, weeks of work by dozens with access to classified docuмents, and only one group has that access and can operate with impunity, as was shown in a recent story in Veterans Today:

        AIPAC is a sham.  The group has, over the years, destroyed anyone who has tried to have it named what it really is, a dangerous foreign lobby and nest of spies.  AIPAC is the most feared organization in Washington and most powerful, above any law.  A former employee of AIPAC, Steve Rosen, who AIPAC claims was a spy, more appropriately a “caught” spy, now claims his former employer does nothing but spy. Rosen stands to get $20 million in his defamation lawsuit against AIPAC.
        He isn’t without motive but we have also learned that Rosen has considerable docuмentation of AIPAC receiving and disseminating classified information, received from, well, we have to call them traitors, inside the US government. We know that a vast spy ring operates in Washington and that Israel is the center of it.
        We also know that Israel, Turkey, India, Pakistan, China and Russia trade American secrets back and forth like baseball cards.  We know that AIPAC is deeply involved in this spying. We know that AIPAC claims to hold signed letters of unconditional support from 80% of the members of congress, all of whom received campaign contributions arranged by AIPAC, with many elections financed almost entirely by AIPAC, a group involved, according to the Washington Post and Steve Rosen, in spying on the United States with seeming complicity by the FBI itself.

    WHAT DO WE LOOK FOR, HOW CAN WE PROVE ISRAEL OR AIPAC MAY BE BEHIND WIKILEAKS?
    Were we to ask author Jeff Gates, he would point to the “storytelling” aspect of Wikileaks, Assange and his “on again-off again” rape charges or that someone that manages to make it to continual television interviews can’t be found by police or security services. We call this “storytelling” and Jeff Gates tells us that Israel, the power behind Hollywood and the American press, is the “storyteller” of all time.
    There are better ways to “prove,” a word as subjective as any of the storytelling around the Wikileaks myth itself.  The proof, always depending on who accepts the proof, and as is almost always the case, dependent on whether the press itself chooses to report it, which if Israel is involved, is more than a bit predictable itself. Lack of reporting potential Israeli complicity in Wikileaks, knowing AIPAC and Israel have the longest history of accessing classified information and, by far, the strongest agenda for leaking information, could be seen as conclusive proof itself.
    WHAT WILL BE IN WIKILEAKS?
    If dual citizens who make up much of the Pentagon’s leadership are working with Israel or AIPAC to formulate Wikileaks, as seems to be the case, then the upcoming leak will serve a pro-Israeli agenda, even if it damages the United States, as other Wikileaks have.  These are Israeli agenda items:

        Discrediting Obama foreign policy in order to weaken the president’s influence with congress to push for a halt on new settlements in Palestine and the forced removal of Islamic property owners.
        Accusations involving Turkey, now feuding with Israel over the killing of Turkish citizens on the Mavi Marmara, now recognized as a purely humanitarian mission.  These accusations against Turkey may include weapons being supplied to terrorists in Iraq, a fanciful abuse of reality.  What will not be reported, if this story is “leaked” either through Wikileaks or the other Israeli sources, “Debka”..”Stratfor”..”FamilySecurityMatters.org”..or the infamous “IsraelNationalNews.com” is Israel’s 40 years of complicity in the very acts they now accuse Turkey of.
        More importantly, is the issue of blaming Turkey for the actions of the terrorist group, PKK, long funded by Israel and now claimed to be allied to Al Qaeda, is vital to Israel’s strategy against Turkey.
        Expect Pakistan to be hit, as usual.  An Islamic nuclear power with a top rate million man army that outclasses Israel hands down, Pakistan, primary competitor for US aid dollars, a country that actually has agreements with the United States and real troops fighting alongside Americans, will get their usual Wikileaks bashing.

    WIKILEAKS IS CHICKENFEED MEANT TO COVER ISRAEL’S TAIL
    Is it a coincidence that docuмents regarding Israel, their spying, influence peddling, suspicions of complicity  in terrorism, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, across Europe and even the Detroit bombing, those reports are there, they are classified but you will never see one on Wikileaks.  In fact, they are the only classified information that never gets out to the news.  Is that because, as we have learned, the borders of Israel extend well into Washington DC, well into the Pentagon?  What won’t we see in Wikileaks:

        Nothing in Wikileaks will accuse anyone, even Pakistan or Afghanistan, or complicity in narcotics trafficking nor mention the huge new narcotics industry operating in Iraq.  Ask yourself why.
        One of the biggest areas of complaint in the Pentagon, more classified White Papers have been written on this than anything else:  “How Israel is Endangering the United States“
        In fact, the biggest “classified” debate in America is what supporting Israel, a nation with incredible wealth and utterly obnoxious leaders costs the United States.  Rumors of such issues aren’t rumors at all.  When General Petraeus presented his now famous power-point presentation to Admiral Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, outlining how Israel is undermining American foreign policy, he wasn’t operating without tens of thousands of pages of intelligence behind him.  Not one page, not one word of these studies will be in Wikileaks.
        When Vice President Joe Biden said the following to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu:    

        “This is starting to get dangerous for us, what you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.”

    Are we to believe these statements were taken out of thin air?  In fact, Petraeus, Mullen and Biden are only the tip of the iceberg.  Admiral Mullen, America’s top military leader under the Commander in Chief, has repeatedly cited Israel and America’s relationship, as, not only a liability but something far worse, so much worse that:

        As public statements by Admiral Mullen, Vice President Biden, General Petraeus and others, citing America’s relationship with Israel as a military disaster, are obviously “watered down” for public consumption, can you imagine what classified reports are saying?

    WHY PRESIDENT OBAMA IS AFRAID AND WHY AMERICA IS PARALYZED
    The greatest fear any president has, even more than impeachment, is the fate of Jimmie Carter.  Carter, now pegged as an “Antisemite” and “enemy of the state” in Israel, is still being sold to Americans as something quite the opposite of reality.  Friends in Israel, if they want to start a row, something not too difficult in Israel as you might guess, will walk around carrying one of Jimmie Carter’s books under their arm.  A Yasser Arafat t-shirt and ѕυιcιdє vest are considered only marginally worse. Carter left office under mysterious circuмstances.  Several disasters, high interest rates, the hostage crisis and the failed rescue attempt showed signs of conspiratorial meddling.  His real crimes were:

        Pushing Israel for a durable and lasting Middle East peace
        Monetary policies that kept America out of debt…
        Support of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid
        Unwillingness to engage in military adventure

    When the defense and oil lobby joined with Israel and Wall Street to crush the Carter presidency, the writing was on the wall.  Interest rates, the “October surprise” and the military sabotaging the hostage rescue attempt, these things destroyed President Carter who might, otherwise, have suffered an “accident” like the Kennedy brothers.  Today, millions of Americans who should be praying to return to Carters foreign policy and fiscal conservatism, are taught to look on him as a failure.  However, more and more, historians are seeing Carter as the last American president.  Every leader since has been dictated to by Israel.



    NTS Notes:  I am not going to gloat, but again when you are right, you are right!   I and others have sussed out Wikileaks from the start for it absolutely NOT fingering Israel for any of the problems in the Middle East, and to somehow make it look like an innocent party in all of the wars that America is embroiled in there..... That made others and myself smell a rat from the very beginning that Wikileaks was pure disinformation.


    Lets not be fooled again.  Wikileaks is pure propaganda BS and absolutely pushed to deflect any blame of the evil state of Israel for its involvement in America's wars in the Middle East, and to absolutely not criticize it for its blatant crimes against humanity.  


    It is time to get the message out about the truth behind Wikileaks.... Spread the word, readers!



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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 02:30:44 PM »
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  • I post a comment from someone:
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    Without the wikileaks illuminati docuмents, we may never have seen the depth of the conspiracy. The main site took them down, but some of them can still be found on smaller sites.

    Maybe they took it down either because it was too shocking or a forgery.


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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 07:02:41 PM »
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  • The docuмent is a clumsy fake.  

    It is not on the correct SIS letterhead.  

    The date format is American and not British.

    The syntax is American, not British, and even states that the interrogator works for the American government.  Britain is an independent, sovereign nation and neither it nor its security services are American.  Nor would they ever refer to themselves as such in a million years.

    The letter is purportedly addressed to the 'Director' of SIS - there IS no  'director' of SIS and never has been.  The head of SIS is known as its 'Director General' or, more commonly, 'Chief'.  1952 saw one chief retire - Major-General Sir Stewart Menzies - and another appointed: Major-General Sir John Sinclair.  Neither name fits the redacted addressee of the letter.

    Nor is there any evidence to suggest that the letter originated with Wikileaks.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 03:36:17 AM »
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  • Clumsy fake? IDK but here's what I found in the metadata:
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    There are a lot of Adobe products involved in the creation of this file, namely PS CS3 (though the data mentions only the brush bowlderising). The rest appears to be made with InDesign:
    <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Lucas Alexander Hauser - interview.indd</rdf:li>

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    Allegedly from Wikileaks...
    « Reply #10 on: March 03, 2014, 01:36:14 PM »
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  • Then Wikileaks cannot be trusted?
    Sometimes WL releases verifiable information.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2014, 08:19:21 AM »
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    Then Wikileaks cannot be trusted?
    Sometimes WL releases verifiable information.


    Sometimes a Protestant "minister" professes a Catholic truth. Should he therefore be trusted?

    A liar who mingles his falsehoods with truth is far more dangerous than one who lies consistently.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014, 02:36:44 AM »
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  • If the British Secret service sends a letter to an American entity, should it use the American date format?

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    « Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 05:08:01 AM »
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    If the British Secret service sends a letter to an American entity, should it use the American date format?

    Do they want to be known as British when they send it?

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    « Reply #14 on: March 06, 2014, 10:44:30 AM »
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  • What font type does the docuмent use?