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Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
« on: April 27, 2021, 04:50:33 AM »
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  • I have a sports injury to my shoulder from weight lifting (at the shoulder/arm joint; pain and some clicking), and it was suggested to me by a guy at the gym that I visit a chiropractor who also does acupuncture.

    Is there any reason a Catholic should not avail himself of acupuncture?  Like, is there any spirituality bound up in it or anything?


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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2021, 06:56:51 AM »
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  • Apparently it depends:

     The Western form of acupuncture, which is based on science and not Taoism, is acceptable for use by Christians. However, the traditional Chinese acupuncture belief system is not compatible with Christianity. 
    "The philosophical thinking behind acupuncture comes from Taoism and the concept of the yin and yang, and of being at one with the forces in the universe through meditation," the Irish Theological Commission wrote in 1994 in its docuмent, "A Catholic Response to the New Age Phenomenon." 
    Christians believe man is a union of body and soul, and that the soul is an essential form — not an energy force. The belief that one can meditate and be at one with the forces of the universe is based in pantheism, the belief that the universe, God and nature are all equivalent.”


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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2021, 06:59:11 AM »
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  • Apparently it depends:

    The Western form of acupuncture, which is based on science and not Taoism, is acceptable for use by Christians. However, the traditional Chinese acupuncture belief system is not compatible with Christianity.
    "The philosophical thinking behind acupuncture comes from Taoism and the concept of the yin and yang, and of being at one with the forces in the universe through meditation," the Irish Theological Commission wrote in 1994 in its docuмent, "A Catholic Response to the New Age Phenomenon."
    Christians believe man is a union of body and soul, and that the soul is an essential form — not an energy force. The belief that one can meditate and be at one with the forces of the universe is based in pantheism, the belief that the universe, God and nature are all equivalent.”
    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8758

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2021, 08:01:35 AM »
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  • Apparently it depends:

    The Western form of acupuncture, which is based on science and not Taoism, is acceptable for use by Christians. However, the traditional Chinese acupuncture belief system is not compatible with Christianity.
    "The philosophical thinking behind acupuncture comes from Taoism and the concept of the yin and yang, and of being at one with the forces in the universe through meditation," the Irish Theological Commission wrote in 1994 in its docuмent, "A Catholic Response to the New Age Phenomenon."
    Christians believe man is a union of body and soul, and that the soul is an essential form — not an energy force. The belief that one can meditate and be at one with the forces of the universe is based in pantheism, the belief that the universe, God and nature are all equivalent.”

    Sure Catholic teaching teaches that man is body and soul, but there's also something referred to as an "animal" soul, going back to Aristotle and also picked up by St. Thomas, which might have a component of energy (and likely does).  I don't see any issues with it personally, because I honestly believe that there's something to it, the notion of energy streams permeating the body via this Aristotelean "animal soul".  I've seen those pictures of the "auras", the energy fields which remain even after part of a living organism has been physically severed, and I see that as an indication of the animal soul which is actually what gives living organisms their physical form.  I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese medicine is superior in many ways to modern Western medicine, which was actually rolled out by the Rockefellers, a notion which views the body as something merely mechanical.

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #5 on: April 27, 2021, 09:28:20 AM »
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  • Apparently it depends:

    The Western form of acupuncture, which is based on science and not Taoism, is acceptable for use by Christians. However, the traditional Chinese acupuncture belief system is not compatible with Christianity.
    "The philosophical thinking behind acupuncture comes from Taoism and the concept of the yin and yang, and of being at one with the forces in the universe through meditation," the Irish Theological Commission wrote in 1994 in its docuмent, "A Catholic Response to the New Age Phenomenon."
    Christians believe man is a union of body and soul, and that the soul is an essential form — not an energy force. The belief that one can meditate and be at one with the forces of the universe is based in pantheism, the belief that the universe, God and nature are all equivalent.”
    I agree with this.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #6 on: April 27, 2021, 09:39:59 AM »
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  • Sure Catholic teaching teaches that man is body and soul, but there's also something referred to as an "animal" soul, going back to Aristotle and also picked up by St. Thomas, which might have a component of energy (and likely does).  I don't see any issues with it personally, because I honestly believe that there's something to it, the notion of energy streams permeating the body via this Aristotelean "animal soul".  I've seen those pictures of the "auras", the energy fields which remain even after part of a living organism has been physically severed, and I see that as an indication of the animal soul which is actually what gives living organisms their physical form.  I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese medicine is superior in many ways to modern Western medicine, which was actually rolled out by the Rockefellers, a notion which views the body as something merely mechanical.
    I had never before heard of this distinction between the immortal soul and the "animal" soul --- guess it's true what they say about learning something new every day! --- but it makes sense.  Anything that is alive, even a single cell, has some form of energy within it, otherwise it would be dead.  Even when we die, some cells remain alive for quite some time, you don't just "die all at once".  How that ties into the departure of one's immortal soul, I'm not even going to try to parse that one.  Traditionally, priests have administered last rites to people who have, to all appearance, been "dead" for some time.  I think the Novus Ordo doesn't like that, though, and besides, they're pretty much agreed that everyone goes to heaven, so in their eyes, last rites aren't even strictly needed.

    Back 30+ years ago, I received a fascinating catalog, long since lost, from N.M. Gwynne's Britons Catholic Library (I'm assuming he is one and the same as the British grammarian Nevile Martin Gwynne, whose seminal text I purchased on Kindle for our home high school in a year or two), in which NMG argues that a person is not really "dead" until putrefaction sets in, and that prayers should be recited over that person until that happens --- something about the alleged fact that you can still hear because your auditory system is the last thing to die, or something like that.  When I have to "check out", I wouldn't object to that --- it wouldn't hurt and it could help.  As the saying goes, you're not dead until you get cold and then warm again.  Our modern, money-driven rush to embalm the deceased ASAP kind of nips that in the bud.  (If I could, I would choose lying in state, unembalmed, for three days, then buried naturally and free to the earth with only a shroud or a crude, cheap coffin, in the fashion of modern-day "green burial", but I have had to defer to strong family sensibilities, and agree to be pickled, put in a metal box, and shoved in a glorified filing cabinet.  Bet that's going to be a dandy if they have to open it up in fifty years!)

    That's one thing the Muslims actually get kind of right --- bury in a shroud, free to the earth, with a type of "bottomless box" over top of you, so that the grave can be covered without shoveling dirt directly on top of the shrouded corpse.  That sure would hammer home to all the proud worldlings the concept of "you are dust, and unto dust you shall return"!  (I used a similar arrangement, and that's where I got the idea, when I had to dig up part of my front yard and valve off a leaky PVC pipe that fed the broken sprinkler system.  I knocked the bottom and two sides off a repurposed speaker box, then placed the shell over the valve and the leaky joint, so that it could easily be accessed if need be, and then shoveled dirt on top of it all.  Saved a $300 plumber bill.)

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #7 on: April 27, 2021, 09:47:49 AM »
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  • Energy is flowing everywhere throughout all of creation -- including all human beings.  This is precisely why things like the introduction of radio, the telegraph, cellular technology, etc., have ALL caused notable health issues throughout the world.

    The Irish Theological Commission may be correct, but I wouldn't necessarily take it for granted considering the number of orthodox priests in all of Ireland in 1994 would have probably fit inside a Volkswagen bus, or maybe even a Mini.



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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #8 on: April 27, 2021, 10:25:30 AM »
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  • There's nothing wrong with acupuncture, typically.  There is science behind it.  As long as you're not being forced to mediate or the practitioner isn't praying over you, it's fine.  Many western doctors are being taught it nowadays, so it's going to be stripped of its eastern religion anyways.
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    I had a health issue a while back; they stuck some needles in my leg and ear, I relaxed on a table for 30 minutes and it really helped.  There was nothing religious about it.

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #9 on: April 27, 2021, 10:45:32 AM »
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  • There's a tendency from Western medical practioners of the dominant Rockefeller mentality to label anything in Eastern medicine as superstitious and religious ... because it does not fit with the mechanistic paradigm of the West.  So when Easterners speak of energies in the body, etc., it's written off as religious belief ... due to their bias against the existence of anything immaterial in creation.

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
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  • There's a tendency from Western medical practioners of the dominant Rockefeller mentality to label anything in Eastern medicine as superstitious and religious ... because it does not fit with the mechanistic paradigm of the West.  So when Easterners speak of energies in the body, etc., it's written off as religious belief ... due to their bias against the existence of anything immaterial in creation.

    This was my post.  In any case, atheistic Western medicine writes off the existence of anything with regard to health that cannot be reduced to material causes, the same mentality that's behind evolution.


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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
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  • There's a tendency from Western medical practioners of the dominant Rockefeller mentality to label anything in Eastern medicine as superstitious and religious ... because it does not fit with the mechanistic paradigm of the West.  So when Easterners speak of energies in the body, etc., it's written off as religious belief ... due to their bias against the existence of anything immaterial in creation.
    Whatever truth there may be in this post, the relationship between acupuncture and Taoism is undeniable:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.amcollege.edu/blog/taoism-and-traditional-chinese-medicine%3fhs_amp=true

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
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  • Whatever truth there may be in this post, the relationship between acupuncture and Taoism is undeniable:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.amcollege.edu/blog/taoism-and-traditional-chinese-medicine%3fhs_amp=true

    It's a very weak link.  From Taosim there result various philosphical approaches which in turn result in various medical treatments.  This does not mean that accupuncture is a religious act derived from religious principles.  Taosim influenced a mentality or a philososphy regarding the natue of the body, which in turn influenced their approach to medicine.

    In your own link:
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    In the previous article, we discussed the key differences between Conventional and Holistic Medicine. Western medicine takes a physicalist approach to the body, while Holistic Medicine takes a whole-body approach.

    The reductionist approach in Western medicine is rooted in Enlightenment philosophy, while the whole-body approach in holistic medicine is based on various principles and traditions, all of which emphasize non-invasive practices  (bodywork, etc.), natural products over chemical pharmaceuticals, and the body's ability to heal itself.

    The question that must be asked is whether accupuncture itself (regardless of its origins) is a religious act or a medical act.  It's clearly the latter, even though the approach was influenced by perceptions regarding the human body that were in turn informed by their religion.  It's not as if they're doing some ritual or incantation to do something super- or preter- natural.  They're actually doing something physical to the body, which is intended to have a very specific effect.  There are all kinds of nerve, electrical, and energy pathways across the body.  How does the brain send the command immediately all the way down to the foot to perform some motion?

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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #13 on: April 27, 2021, 11:06:42 AM »
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  • http://www.obtainbetterbalance.com/blog/isacupunctureareligion

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    Regarding the second question, [whether acupuncture is a religion], I have been asked this question a few times over the past 12 years, and I can only imagine other people may be wondering about this. The short answer is- nope! Chinese Medicine and it’s most popular and best known modality, acupuncture, are absolutely not affiliated with any religion or belief system. The practice of Chinese Medicine is a scientific and evidence based medical system based out of the rules of naturally occurring processes and the effect they have over us as living beings.

    Most commonly it seems this medicine gets related to Buddhism, although there is actually no connection. In truth, Buddhism is not a religion but rather a study on constructively living life, which actually fits seamlessly in with most of the popular religions, but still is not connected to the practice of Chinese Medicine.

    There are roots of Taoism in Chinese Medicine in the sense that we pay attention to things like the seasons, day and night, appropriate times of activity and rest, the healing aspects of food and digestion, things like that.



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    Re: Acupuncture OK for Catholics?
    « Reply #14 on: April 27, 2021, 11:21:24 AM »
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  • Energy is flowing everywhere throughout all of creation -- including all human beings.  This is precisely why things like the introduction of radio, the telegraph, cellular technology, etc., have ALL caused notable health issues throughout the world.
    I've wondered about that myself.  200 years ago, there was no electricity, no radio transmission, and so on.

    Something's run people crazy in the past century, and it may have more than simply a spiritual or psychological explanation.

    There are people who deliberately move to Green Bank, West Virginia, where ambient man-made energy is kept to a minimum to accommodate the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, it is a "broadcasting quiet zone", no cell towers, no wi-fi, and they even have monitors who track down spurious radiation from things like microwave ovens.  I've been there, pretty country, very tranquil.  Just a thought.