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Abortion and Excommunication
« on: March 25, 2014, 04:12:43 PM »
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  • Does the SSPX priests have the authority to lift excommunication brought on by having an abortion? Is it valid when they do that?


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    « Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 07:06:36 PM »
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  • A bishop is required to absolve abortion so the question is whether supplied jurisdiction is enough or not (but that is probably what you are asking).


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    « Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 09:07:14 PM »
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    A bishop is required to absolve abortion so the question is whether supplied jurisdiction is enough or not (but that is probably what you are asking).


    I think it is more correct to say that only a bishop can lift an excommunication rather than a bishop is required to absolve abortion. But a first step would be to consult a priest.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 25, 2014, 11:15:15 PM »
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    Does the SSPX priests have the authority to lift excommunication brought on by having an abortion? Is it valid when they do that?

    Only when there is danger of death.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 12:06:32 PM »
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  • The priest did lift the excommunication in confession. I just wanted to make sure it was over and done with. Thank you for the answers.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 26, 2014, 12:59:22 PM »
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  • There are two major considerations, neither of which have an clear answer.

    The first is whether or not you accept the new Code of Canon Law.  In the 1917 code, only bishops could lift the excommunication associated with abortion.  In the 1983 code, any priest can.

    The second is whether you accept the problem of jurisdiction.  The Church requires clerics to have jurisdiction to hear confessions or preform marriages.  Without jurisdiction, those Sacraments are invalid.  SSPX priests and bishops have been suspended by the NO church, and thus have no jurisdiciton.  If you accept the NO church, you likely have to accept the fact that SSPX priests and bishops lack jurisdiction, unless you subscribe to supplied jurisdiction theory.  If you reject the NO church, then that's an entirely separate issue.

    I believe the "official" SSPX interpretation of the matter is that the 1983 code is to be accepted, along with the NO church (in theory, at least), but that SSPX priests and bishops have supplied jurisdiction so that they can hear confessions and perform marriages.  I do not know what, if anything, the Resistance has to say on the matter.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 26, 2014, 12:59:44 PM »
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    The priest did lift the excommunication in confession. I just wanted to make sure it was over and done with. Thank you for the answers.


    How did you get your excommunication?  Was it officially delivered?

    There is such confusion on this.  Of course abortion is a mortal sin but who said it was an ipso facto excommunication?


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    « Reply #7 on: March 26, 2014, 01:04:42 PM »
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  • Yes, priests can absolve this without involving a bishop.  Even SSPX and Resistance priests can do this.  Abortion no longer carries the penalty of excommunication.

    Don't be troubled over this.  


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    « Reply #8 on: March 26, 2014, 01:59:33 PM »
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  • I was told that if certain things were present it is one of the sins that carry an excommunication but that the priest could lift it during confession. I think I just need to trust that I did what I needed to do.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 26, 2014, 04:15:58 PM »
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  • As much as I dislike EWTN, I think you will find this very helpful: https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/abortio2.htm

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    « Reply #10 on: March 29, 2014, 10:36:37 PM »
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    I was told that if certain things were present it is one of the sins that carry an excommunication but that the priest could lift it during confession. I think I just need to trust that I did what I needed to do.


    Very brave of you and Gods blessings on you.