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A question regarding souls in Hell
« on: July 28, 2016, 09:04:32 PM »
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  • If a person is a kind, loving person in life, yet dies in mortal sin, does God remove those traits from them when they go to Hell? In Hell all souls are supposed to be filled with nothing but hate for themselves, each other, and God. So, say, a kindly old lady who was known to be friendly, gentle and compassionate in life, does she suddenly become a hate filled malevolent blaspheming soul devoid of those personality traits after being condemned for whatever reason?


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    « Reply #1 on: July 28, 2016, 09:23:40 PM »
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  • There is no love or kindness in hell.  Neither is there hope, compassion, sympathy or any other virtuous trait.

    I think the worst hate in hell is for "self" because the soul knows for a certainty that they chose it.

    I can't nor do I want to imagine the utter dispair.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2016, 02:33:41 AM »
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  • So that means the hypothetical lady would be stripped of any of these natural good traits when she is cast into Hell? So then, does God remove them from her, or does the soul cast them off of her own volition?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2016, 09:33:29 AM »
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  • I don't believe anyone knows the answer except God.  But were these natural good traits or were they graces from God and He withdrew them?

    Remember also, there are levels in hell.  This woman might suffer less than many others........BUT it's still hell.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2016, 09:51:16 AM »
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  • All the good in men is a gift from God. The only thing that we have of our own is sin.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2016, 01:20:31 PM »
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  • Well, I guess one would have to define "traits".  If you mean certain human proclivities that makes some people to be stamped with a desire to do evil in some particular area, and be immune to temptation in others, then I would think that is so.  And I believe that everyone has an unique and individual character that makes them different from their fellow men.  Some cannot pass a poker table without sitting down and giving away their family's security. Others, perhaps a large majority in this day and age, can't walk past a beautiful woman without having certain evil feelings arise. Others can easily extricate themselves from the above, but insist upon a sumptuous meal with plenty of flowing wine, and two pieces of cake every day.

    In the long run, God judges us on actions, not proclivities. See St. Paul describing his "thorn" whatever that may be. I also believe that every one's "mix" of characteristics and chance on getting to heaven is fairly assigned, whatever the individual make up, among all men, that is, everyone had an equal chance in the vast sum of things to be judged worthy, no matter what the individual nature and kind of the sin.

    If one does not have any problems in one area, due to his individual disdain or lack of motivation, then he can hardly claim a counterbalancing merit, when he caves instantly on a matter that he is weak in. If one is cowardly to the point of never getting in a fight, he can't claim any merit for his failure to resist gluttony.


    (I'm sorry, this is Lighthouse)

     


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    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2016, 06:04:27 PM »
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  • Who said, "the floors of hell have the skulls of bishops"!

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    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2016, 10:09:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Guest
    Who said, "the floor of hell (is paved with - sic) have the skulls of bishops"!


    St. John Chrysostum, I believe.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 01:13:18 AM »
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  • Most of the souls in Hell are those who did not believe in its existence.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 30, 2016, 04:25:22 AM »
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  • My feeling is that your punishment in hell is relative to the state of your soul. Very similar to how Dante divides hell into circles with increasing layers of torture and despair. I agree with Dante that there is a highest circle of hell where there is the least punishment, reserved for those who were naturally virtuous but did not have the supernatural faith, hope, and charity to raise them to the beatific vision. Many theologians talk about limbo for unbaptised children, and they describe it basically as a place of natural happiness but without the supernatural happiness of heaven; to me it sounds like the Paradise we had prior to the Fall. Now if there is such a place for unbaptised children, can there not also be a place for unbaptised/unbelieving pagans who are virtuous but who do not have faith? Of course, they will regret forever every mortal sin not confessed and forgiven by God, but those nice old ladies you talk about often do regret their sins, which may not be the supernatural remorse of perfect contrition that takes away the guilt completely, but which still lessens the guilt, so that they will not be punished as harshly as those obstinate and proud in their sins forever.

    I am willing to be corrected on this.


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  • This is the OP- thanks for your replies. I was just thinking about how horrible it would be to be cast into Hell for some long forgotten mortal sin. I can't imagine being in Hell, and knowing in all certainty that God's justice is perfect, yet retaining the same loving, kind, friendly personality one had in life. I think that, if possible, would make Hell even worse. Perhaps God removes those things from condemned souls in His mercy before they are cast in.