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Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2019, 08:36:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on November 11, 2019, 07:34:49 PM
    ...and took wine with white gloves(why not a crumb instead)  
    What does this mean?
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #46 on: December 08, 2019, 10:14:58 PM »
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    • OP here. The Jєω has become a regular (He came four weeks straight). More has been learned about him. He was baptized and confirmed by an SSPX bishop, I was not told which one. He seems to be a little confused. He was in contact with Bishop Williamson about his conversion and Bishop Williamson advised him to attend our SSPX chapel as the best place around here to go for the Sacraments. I did not speak to him myself so I did not question him. He arrived at Mass today and he took off his Jєωιѕн hat but he was still wearing his yarmulke. Then our priest went up to him and pulled him aside and talked to him for a few minutes. He returned without his yarmulke. I did not confirm but I assume the priest told him he should not wear it. He went to Communion.

    He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #47 on: December 08, 2019, 10:24:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 08, 2019, 10:14:58 PM
    OP here. The Jєω has become a regular (He came four weeks straight). More has been learned about him. He was baptized and confirmed by an SSPX bishop, I was not told which one. He seems to be a little confused. He was in contact with Bishop Williamson about his conversion and Bishop Williamson advised him to attend our SSPX chapel as the best place around here to go for the Sacraments. I did not speak to him myself so I did not question him. He arrived at Mass today and he took off his Jєωιѕн hat but he was still wearing his yarmulke. Then our priest went up to him and pulled him aside and talked to him for a few minutes. He returned without his yarmulke. I did not confirm but I assume the priest told him he should not wear it. He went to Communion.

    He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.
    In the event that you ever have a conversation with him, I hope you are familiar with the basics of Judaism.
    http://judaism.is
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    « Reply #48 on: December 08, 2019, 10:42:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 08, 2019, 10:24:26 PM
    In the event that you ever have a conversation with him, I hope you are familiar with the basics of Judaism.
    http://judaism.is
    I checked your site to see what it was like, only looking at one page, the page on ritual murder. The website was not working properly so I only got to read the first two paragraphs. I am glad for the website you have set up and hope people use it to learn about the Jєωs. I do not like reading such things though. It is enough to know they are children of the devil and evil and can not be trusted. So when a Jєω converts it can be dangerous because you can never know if they can be trusted and are ture converts, more so than people of other religions who convert.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #49 on: December 09, 2019, 12:43:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 08, 2019, 10:14:58 PM
    OP here. The Jєω has become a regular (He came four weeks straight). More has been learned about him. He was baptized and confirmed by an SSPX bishop, I was not told which one. He seems to be a little confused. He was in contact with Bishop Williamson about his conversion and Bishop Williamson advised him to attend our SSPX chapel as the best place around here to go for the Sacraments. I did not speak to him myself so I did not question him. He arrived at Mass today and he took off his Jєωιѕн hat but he was still wearing his yarmulke. Then our priest went up to him and pulled him aside and talked to him for a few minutes. He returned without his yarmulke. I did not confirm but I assume the priest told him he should not wear it. He went to Communion.

    He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.
    I think you should go out of your way to be nice to this person.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #50 on: December 09, 2019, 01:38:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 08, 2019, 10:14:58 PM
    OP here. The Jєω has become a regular (He came four weeks straight). More has been learned about him. He was baptized and confirmed by an SSPX bishop, I was not told which one. He seems to be a little confused. He was in contact with Bishop Williamson about his conversion and Bishop Williamson advised him to attend our SSPX chapel as the best place around here to go for the Sacraments. I did not speak to him myself so I did not question him. He arrived at Mass today and he took off his Jєωιѕн hat but he was still wearing his yarmulke. Then our priest went up to him and pulled him aside and talked to him for a few minutes. He returned without his yarmulke. I did not confirm but I assume the priest told him he should not wear it. He went to Communion.

    He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.

    If he has been baptised and confirmed he is now a Catholic and not a Jєω. He has obviously not been well instructed so that he knows to give up the trappings of the old religion, but he seems to have responded to the directions of the priest.

    You have no need to judge if he is a legitimate convert, so don't bother your head with that. Why on earth would you be mean to him,,, and indeed how? Just pray for him and be friendly as you would any other member of the congregation (that is if you are friendly with others members!).
     
    Why wouldn't a Jєω who wanted to convert make Bishop W. his first contact?  After all, he has a high profile with the Jєωs and is apparently sincere and honest.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #51 on: December 09, 2019, 01:56:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 08, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
    ... I do not like reading such things though. It is enough to know they are children of the devil and evil and can not be trusted. 
    You ought to inform yourself though. Study the New Testament and what it has to say about Jєωs. There are Jєωs who haven't a clue that Judaism is of the devil, and there are Jєωs who are not necessarily evil and who can be trusted. Many are ignorant or indifferent. And there are Jєωs who are evil.

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    So when a Jєω converts it can be dangerous because you can never know if they can be trusted and are ture converts, more so than people of other religions who convert.
    When a Jєω converts he is no longer a Jєω and there is great rejoicing in Heaven, because that man has a chance now for Eternal Salvation. It is when a Jєω is unconverted and pretends conversion that there is danger. Again, you don't need to make that judgement on him. Just make him welcome and treat him like any other member of the congregation.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #52 on: December 09, 2019, 07:04:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 08, 2019, 10:14:58 PM
    He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.
    There is no real worldly advantage to converting to Catholicism at this point in time (unlike other periods of history) so there is little motive for insincere conversions. New converts, no matter what they are converting from, should not be entrusted with any position of authority or teaching.  It takes time for people to learn to think like a Catholic.  We should think of new converts as little brothers and sisters in Christ, praying for them and helping them as much as we can.

    It is possible that this man has been disowned by his family and is feeling lonely.  He may be facing a lot of hatred from Jєωs now.  They would typically see him as a traitor.  Be kind to him and encourage him to grow in the Catholic faith.  Even in the unlikely event that this man were faking his conversion, he might be won to true faith by kindness.

    There are two mistakes to avoid in dealing with converts from Judaism.  Some people treat them as worse than any other Catholic, as if they were tainted by having Jєωιѕн blood. (Baptism would remove such a thing.) Some people do the opposite and treat converts from Judaism as if they were some sort of special or important kind of Catholics.  This error may be even worse than the first.  It is spiritually harmful to converts to tell them that they are special and important because it makes it hard for them to develop humility.  Just remember that Scripture teaches that "in Christ there is neither Jєω nor Gentile" and do not think of a convert from Judaism as better or worse due to his background.

    From my perspective as a Catholic convert from Judaism, I do not see anything strange about such a person finding much to respect and admire in Bishop Williamson.  He is clearly an impressive man with great love and knowledge of the Catholic faith.  Personally, I would consider myself blessed if I were to have an opportunity to receive spiritual advice from him.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #53 on: December 09, 2019, 08:21:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on November 15, 2019, 12:48:58 AM
    Yes, but we have other people who convert and they wear the same clothes that they wore before their conversion. Why can't a Jєωιѕн convert?  
    For Jєωs, wearing certain items of clothing is not simply a matter of following a cultural tradition. It  is a Jєωιѕн religious observance.  It is Catholic teaching that when Jєωs convert that they must stop the practices of their former religion.  They should not circuмcise, keep kosher, observe the Sabbath on Saturday, etc.  This man was apparently disobeying this teaching.  

    I was not aware of this teaching when I was a new convert.  While in the Novus Ordo, not only did I celebrate Passover, but also, with encouragement from the priests, I led "seders" for the parishioners.  As I recall I did not figure out how wrong this was for decades, not until I discovered traditional Catholicism.  
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    « Reply #54 on: December 09, 2019, 08:50:45 AM »
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    • "Because I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do: that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask me any thing in my name, that I will do." John 14:13-14

    Jesus, we beg you and, Father, we beg you in the Holy Name of Your Son, Jesus, that it is Your Will to drive Poche from this place forever. We offer our fasting, alms, suffering, good works, and happiness for this intention.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #55 on: December 10, 2019, 11:20:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 09, 2019, 08:21:24 AM
    For Jєωs, wearing certain items of clothing is not simply a matter of following a cultural tradition. It  is a Jєωιѕн religious observance.  It is Catholic teaching that when Jєωs convert that they must stop the practices of their former religion.  They should not circuмcise, keep kosher, observe the Sabbath on Saturday, etc.  This man was apparently disobeying this teaching.  

    I was not aware of this teaching when I was a new convert.  While in the Novus Ordo, not only did I celebrate Passover, but also, with encouragement from the priests, I led "seders" for the parishioners.  As I recall I did not figure out how wrong this was for decades, not until I discovered traditional Catholicism.  
    What if somebody wanted to make a fashion statement?
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    « Reply #56 on: December 10, 2019, 11:40:45 PM »
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    • Little Exorcism Prayer of St. Benedict

    Oh, my Jesus through the sign of Thy Holy Cross, let all evil spirits withdraw from us.
    In the name of the Father  † , and of the Son  †  , and of the Holy Ghost † . AMEN.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #57 on: December 11, 2019, 05:34:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on December 10, 2019, 11:20:54 PM
    What if somebody wanted to make a fashion statement?

    Well, it's certainly more than just that.  At the very least it's cultural, but there could be hints of a Judaizing mentality that would need to be addressed by the priest.  I mean, if the man was saying the Rosary and other Catholic prayers, it does sound like he might be a Catholic.  And even if he's not of a Judaizing mindset, it might cause some scandal to those who might be tempted to draw that conclusion.
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    Re: A Jєω Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #58 on: December 11, 2019, 06:12:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on December 10, 2019, 11:20:54 PM
    What if somebody wanted to make a fashion statement?
    If it were a fashion statement, that statement would be, "I want people to see me as a Jєω."  That is not a statement that a Catholic should be making.  тαℓмυdic Judaism is opposed to Christianity.  They are mutually exclusive.  Becoming a Catholic involves rejecting тαℓмυdic Judaism.  It is not possible to be both.

    This man is very possibly ignorant and not culpable, but he is almost certainly doing something objectively wrong.  It sounds like the priest there is giving him instructions and explanations, so we can hope that this behaviour changes.
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    « Reply #59 on: December 11, 2019, 11:56:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 11, 2019, 06:12:52 AM
    If it were a fashion statement, that statement would be, "I want people to see me as a Jєω."  That is not a statement that a Catholic should be making.  тαℓмυdic Judaism is opposed to Christianity.  They are mutually exclusive.  Becoming a Catholic involves rejecting тαℓмυdic Judaism.  It is not possible to be both.

    This man is very possibly ignorant and not culpable, but he is almost certainly doing something objectively wrong.  It sounds like the priest there is giving him instructions and explanations, so we can hope that this behaviour changes.
    Well stated.
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