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A Jew Goes to Communion.
« on: November 10, 2019, 09:56:39 PM »
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  • I posted this anonymously because people know where I go to Mass and I don't want to identify which priest did this at which chapel. But a Jew came to Mass today. He was dressed like an orthodox Jew with a hat and a yarmulke. He took off his hat at Mass but retained his yarmulke. He was wearing those strings that come down on both sides from his belt that remind me of a brown scapular. Typical Jew. He arrived early. He asked if this was where there was a Church service and we said yes. He prayed the rosary with us before Mass. He was very respectful. He was always crossing himself and knelt at the right times. I could not hear if he sung hymns. He stayed right to the end and talked to the priest after Mass. When Communion time came I put my head in my hands because he got up and went up to Communion and I was like "no!" though I did not say anything out loud or make a scene. When he got up to the front in his yarmulke the priest talked to him before he received and then he gave him Communion. I was like to myself "the priest just gave Communion to a Jew". We learned later the priest asked him "are you Catholic" and he said "yes I am a Catholic". But he was dressed like an orthodox Jew so that some people thought he was a Rabbi. He sat with us for a long time after Mass as we sung the Litany of the Saints and did nothing wrong except go to Communion. We talked after Mass among ourselves. Some people were upset, including I, but I was not the most upset. One man said as Christ said to the lady at the well we should not give Communion to the dogs. Another lady said we should be welcoming. I was hoping he was one of those Novus Ordo "Hebrew Catholics" so at least he was baptized. He said our Mass was "a treasure" and he said he was "a Jew and a Catholic". Father said he will speak to him about some things if he becomes a regular. When I first saw him I thought he would make trouble and he did, but not in the way I expected. So an SSPX priest gave a Jew wearing a yarmulke Communion, though in his defense the Jew declared that he was a Catholic at the altar rail. Is this a sign of SSPX liberalism, or just a strange awkward moment? The same priest tells us not to go to the indult.

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2019, 10:06:57 PM »
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  • I am glad that a Jew would come to Our Mass and be respectful and I Hope he is converted or converts, but it was scandalous for him to receive communion dressed as a religious Jew with a yarmulke. Should he have been refused Communion even though he claimed that he was Catholic?


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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2019, 11:55:28 PM »
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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #3 on: November 10, 2019, 11:56:37 PM »
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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #4 on: November 11, 2019, 04:45:41 AM »
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  • I am glad that a Jew would come to Our Mass and be respectful and I Hope he is converted or converts, but it was scandalous for him to receive communion dressed as a religious Jew with a yarmulke. Should he have been refused Communion even though he claimed that he was Catholic?


    OP: We learned later the priest asked him "are you Catholic" and he said "yes I am a Catholic". But he was dressed like an orthodox Jew so that some people thought he was a Rabbi.........and he said he was "a Jew and a Catholic".
    He should have been refused communion. The least Fr. should have done was asked why he was dressed like a Jewish rabbi before giving him communion. Fr. should have told him to take his hat off in Church whether he gave him communion or not.  

    According to the OP, if father would have asked: "Are you a Jew", the guy would have said "yes", and with that, should have not given him communion.
    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man." - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #5 on: November 11, 2019, 07:34:49 PM »
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  • This year, my husband and I went to Scotland, St. Leonard's.  Six women refuse to wear veil or dress or skirt.  Two  refused communion wafer/Christ and took wine with white gloves(why not a crumb instead)  Then a Sunday with Benediction after Mass and half the parishioners leave!

    I spoke of this to a Malaysian  and he told me same problems there with Pius X.  He called it, "infiltrators" to change to New Order. Priest don't care about the parishioners behaviors.

    So, your story sound like to me just another game being played.  How will the parishioners react or not?

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #6 on: November 12, 2019, 12:57:51 AM »
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  • I posted this anonymously because people know where I go to Mass and I don't want to identify which priest did this at which chapel. But a Jew came to Mass today. He was dressed like an orthodox Jew with a hat and a yarmulke. He took off his hat at Mass but retained his yarmulke. He was wearing those strings that come down on both sides from his belt that remind me of a brown scapular. Typical Jew. He arrived early. He asked if this was where there was a Church service and we said yes. He prayed the rosary with us before Mass. He was very respectful. He was always crossing himself and knelt at the right times. I could not hear if he sung hymns. He stayed right to the end and talked to the priest after Mass. When Communion time came I put my head in my hands because he got up and went up to Communion and I was like "no!" though I did not say anything out loud or make a scene. When he got up to the front in his yarmulke the priest talked to him before he received and then he gave him Communion. I was like to myself "the priest just gave Communion to a Jew". We learned later the priest asked him "are you Catholic" and he said "yes I am a Catholic". But he was dressed like an orthodox Jew so that some people thought he was a Rabbi. He sat with us for a long time after Mass as we sung the Litany of the Saints and did nothing wrong except go to Communion. We talked after Mass among ourselves. Some people were upset, including I, but I was not the most upset. One man said as Christ said to the lady at the well we should not give Communion to the dogs. Another lady said we should be welcoming. I was hoping he was one of those Novus Ordo "Hebrew Catholics" so at least he was baptized. He said our Mass was "a treasure" and he said he was "a Jew and a Catholic". Father said he will speak to him about some things if he becomes a regular. When I first saw him I thought he would make trouble and he did, but not in the way I expected. So an SSPX priest gave a Jew wearing a yarmulke Communion, though in his defense the Jew declared that he was a Catholic at the altar rail. Is this a sign of SSPX liberalism, or just a strange awkward moment? The same priest tells us not to go to the indult.
    If he is a convert I think you should be friendly. Last week I had the opportunity to promote the TLM to two people. One happens to live near to where they have the TLM and he didn't realize it.
    This morning someone asked about the Catholic mass schedule. Once again we have to be nice. You could be the first and only contact that someone has with a Catholic today.  

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #7 on: November 12, 2019, 04:35:09 AM »
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  • Dressed the way he was, the priest absolutely should have denied him Holy Communion. 


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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2019, 06:02:54 AM »
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  • So as long as someone identifies as "Catholic" (and appears to be anything but), they can receive communion?  When has the Church ever allowed this?  This reminds me of calling a man a "her" because he identifies as a woman.  

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #9 on: November 12, 2019, 06:11:07 AM »
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  • So as long as someone identifies as "Catholic" (and appears to be anything but), they can receive communion?  When has the Church ever allowed this?  This reminds me of calling a man a "her" because he identifies as a woman.  
    Exactly. He may as well have hung a sign around his neck saying: "I am a Jew".
    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man." - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #10 on: November 13, 2019, 12:46:39 AM »
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  • For Sedeplenists only (for sedevacantists the question would be irrelevant) assuming this man truly was a Catholic (say he thought this kind of dress was cultural, or that you can be  a "Hebrew Catholic" or whatever) is there a risk of schism in refusing him, since refusing to be in communion with members of the Church subject to the Roman Pontiff is considered schism?

    Why or why not?


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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #11 on: November 13, 2019, 12:55:31 AM »
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  • So as long as someone identifies as "Catholic" (and appears to be anything but), they can receive communion?  When has the Church ever allowed this?  This reminds me of calling a man a "her" because he identifies as a woman.  
    If we are nasty to our converts maybe we can chase them out of the Church.

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #12 on: November 13, 2019, 01:39:48 AM »
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  • If we are nasty to our converts maybe we can chase them out of the Church.
    Conversion[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] - Refers to a moral change, a turning or returning to God and to the true religion.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Talmudic Judaism never was and still is not the true religion.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Marranos are not converts, but subversives.[/color]

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #13 on: November 13, 2019, 02:30:46 AM »
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  • Conversion[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] - Refers to a moral change, a turning or returning to God and to the true religion.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Talmudic Judaism never was and still is not the true religion.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Marranos are not converts, but subversives.[/color]
    If he is a convert then he is not a 'subversive.' Jesus said - "Go forth to all the world and preach the Gospel to all nations." He didn't say "Go forth to all the world and preach the Gospel to all nations except..."

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    Re: A Jew Goes to Communion.
    « Reply #14 on: November 13, 2019, 03:11:10 AM »
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  • Wearing the "uniform" of talmudic Judaism indicates his conversion is not real, but subversive.

    "There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

    If he was "in Christ Jesus," he would not have claimed to be a "Jew" and he would not be wearing the "uniform" of the religion infallibly and unchangeably damned by the Church at the Council of Florence.

    Subversive, not convert.




     

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