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I am glad that a Jєω would come to Our Mass and be respectful and I Hope he is converted or converts, but it was scandalous for him to receive communion dressed as a religious Jєω with a yarmulke. Should he have been refused Communion even though he claimed that he was Catholic?He should have been refused communion. The least Fr. should have done was asked why he was dressed like a Jєωιѕн rabbi before giving him communion. Fr. should have told him to take his hat off in Church whether he gave him communion or not.
OP: We learned later the priest asked him "are you Catholic" and he said "yes I am a Catholic". But he was dressed like an orthodox Jєω so that some people thought he was a Rabbi.........and he said he was "a Jєω and a Catholic".
I posted this anonymously because people know where I go to Mass and I don't want to identify which priest did this at which chapel. But a Jєω came to Mass today. He was dressed like an orthodox Jєω with a hat and a yarmulke. He took off his hat at Mass but retained his yarmulke. He was wearing those strings that come down on both sides from his belt that remind me of a brown scapular. Typical Jєω. He arrived early. He asked if this was where there was a Church service and we said yes. He prayed the rosary with us before Mass. He was very respectful. He was always crossing himself and knelt at the right times. I could not hear if he sung hymns. He stayed right to the end and talked to the priest after Mass. When Communion time came I put my head in my hands because he got up and went up to Communion and I was like "no!" though I did not say anything out loud or make a scene. When he got up to the front in his yarmulke the priest talked to him before he received and then he gave him Communion. I was like to myself "the priest just gave Communion to a Jєω". We learned later the priest asked him "are you Catholic" and he said "yes I am a Catholic". But he was dressed like an orthodox Jєω so that some people thought he was a Rabbi. He sat with us for a long time after Mass as we sung the Litany of the Saints and did nothing wrong except go to Communion. We talked after Mass among ourselves. Some people were upset, including I, but I was not the most upset. One man said as Christ said to the lady at the well we should not give Communion to the dogs. Another lady said we should be welcoming. I was hoping he was one of those Novus Ordo "Hebrew Catholics" so at least he was baptized. He said our Mass was "a treasure" and he said he was "a Jєω and a Catholic". Father said he will speak to him about some things if he becomes a regular. When I first saw him I thought he would make trouble and he did, but not in the way I expected. So an SSPX priest gave a Jєω wearing a yarmulke Communion, though in his defense the Jєω declared that he was a Catholic at the altar rail. Is this a sign of SSPX liberalism, or just a strange awkward moment? The same priest tells us not to go to the indult.If he is a convert I think you should be friendly. Last week I had the opportunity to promote the TLM to two people. One happens to live near to where they have the TLM and he didn't realize it.
So as long as someone identifies as "Catholic" (and appears to be anything but), they can receive communion? When has the Church ever allowed this? This reminds me of calling a man a "her" because he identifies as a woman.Exactly. He may as well have hung a sign around his neck saying: "I am a Jєω".
If we are nasty to our converts maybe we can chase them out of the Church.Conversion (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04347a.htm)[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] - Refers to a moral change, a turning or returning to God and to the true religion.[/color]
Conversion (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04347a.htm)[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] - Refers to a moral change, a turning or returning to God and to the true religion.[/color]If he is a convert then he is not a 'subversive.' Jesus said - "Go forth to all the world and preach the Gospel to all nations." He didn't say "Go forth to all the world and preach the Gospel to all nations except..."
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]тαℓмυdic Judaism never was and still is not the true religion.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Marranos are not converts, but subversives.[/color]
If the man was intending to be subversive, he'd have dressed in civilian clothes. Likely he's a material heretic who doesn't realise that "Hebrew Catholicism" is heretical. The priest should've refused the man Communion and asked to speak to him after Mass to explain. But the priest has promised to do the latter, so hopefully the man will be corrected and accept the correction.In pretending he could be both a Jєω and a Catholic, he was subverting Galatians 3:28.
Several years ago I took a NO friend to a trad chapel. He got in the confession line and the local "church lady" confronted him and demanded to know if he was a "traditional Catholic" because otherwise he wasn't allowed to go to confession. He said he was a Catholic and everything else was none of her business. She tried to confront the priest after Mass to "report" that the man should not receive sacraments there because he wasn't a real Catholic. She's no longer attending that chapel.The old bag should've minded her own business, is that it?
If the man was intending to be subversive, he'd have dressed in civilian clothes. Likely he's a material heretic who doesn't realise that "Hebrew Catholicism" is heretical. The priest should've refused the man Communion and asked to speak to him after Mass to explain. But the priest has promised to do the latter, so hopefully the man will be corrected and accept the correction.Are merely material heretics supposed to be barred from communion?
Never trust a Jєω.(https://infostormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Jєωs-you-lose.jpg)
If we are nasty to our converts maybe we can chase them out of the Church.If he is still wearing his Jєωιѕн garb, then he never was in the Church. Capiche?
Are merely material heretics supposed to be barred from communion?I don't think so, but there was still a quite significant possibility there that the man was a formal heretic of some sort, and in either case giving him Communion was a cause of scandal. Refusing a man Communion once until you figure out what's going on with him won't do him severe harm, letting him add to his mortal sins by taking Communion outside of a state of grace WILL do him harm.
My original question about schism still applies, from a Sedeplenist standpoint anyway.
The old bag should've minded her own business, is that it?Yes, the lady should have minded her own business, but hey, if we are nasty to the older trads, then maybe we can 'chase' them out of the Church, and create the liberal utopia where a smorgasbord of immodesty is a must have.
Was the Blessed Virgin Mary an 'old bag' at age 60?
QUOTE: If we are nasty to our converts maybe we can chase them out of the Church.Who are you to say that he was not a convert?(https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/a-Jєω-goes-to-communion/11/?action=reporttm;msg=675210)
What is your point, 'Annonymous'? Are you the 'I see nothing but' poster? Do you know for a fact that the person wearing Jєωιѕн garb was a convert? Why would traditional Catholics 'chase' genuine converts of the Church?
Who are you to say that he was not a convert?Are you dyslexic as well as a habitual liar?
Are you dyslexic as well as a habitual liar?Yes, but we have other people who convert and they wear the same clothes that they wore before their conversion. Why can't a Jєωιѕн convert?
He wore his тαℓмυdic religious "uniform" (hoice, kippa and tzitzit) and stated he was a "Jєω," so this is not some ethnic issue.
He cannot be both a religious Jєω and a Cathjolic. Catholicism and Judaism of every stripe are as mutually exclusive as good and evil.
Quit posting deceits.
Yes, but we have other people who convert and they wear the same clothes that they wore before their conversion. Why can't a Jєωιѕн convert?"Yes" as in Yes, you are both dyslexic and a liar.
There are traditional Catholic men who married moslem women in our trad circle. They roam around. Maybe this man married a orthodox Jєωιѕн woman.
I remember going to novus ordo “red” Mass where there were Jєωιѕн politicians and lawyers present. I can’t remember if they received communion or not. I just thought it was odd that they were there at Mass at all.
My husband says that was a tough call for the priest.I fail to see how this was a "tough call". Please enlighten me.
Let’s pray that the man didn’t do something evil with the Holy Communion
My husband says that the sin is on the man if he received communion with out being in state of grace.
I fail to see how this was a "tough call". Please enlighten me.I'm assuming for the sake of argument this is an SSPX chapel or something similar, not a Sedevacantist council.
There are traditional Catholic men who married moslem women. Maybe this man married a orthodox Jєωιѕн woman.I think we should have more opportunities for the non believers to go to mass. Who knows, this could be the spark that leads to a conversion to the Catholic Faith.
I remember going to novus ordo “red” Mass where there were Jєωιѕн politicians and lawyers present. I can’t remember if they received communion or not. I just thought it was odd that they were there at Mass at all.
I think we should have more opportunities for the non believers to go to mass. Who knows, this could be the spark that leads to a conversion to the Catholic Faith.
I think we should have more opportunities for the non believers to go to mass. Who knows, this could be the spark that leads to a conversion to the Catholic Faith.I think we should have more opportunities for all of us to go to Mass (capital "M") instead of that damned тαℓмυdic Novus Ordo rite.
It’s weird for a man dressed an Orthodox Jєω to enter traditional Catholic Church. Maybe the priest was concerned about the safety of his parishioners. If everyone is going up and kneeling the priest could have skipped over him. My husband agrees with that.wait, why would the priest need to be worried if someone dressed like an Orthodox Jєω went to Mass?
Baby boomer trad feminist preventing a Catholic from going to confession is weird. Too much weird things going on in most churches over all. Even novus ordo is getting weirdo.
wait, why would the priest need to be worried if someone dressed like an Orthodox Jєω went to Mass?like safety reasons and such.
What safety reasons? Are Jєωs now ѕυιcιdє bombers?perpetrators (http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html) • assassins http://judaism.is/assassins.html (http://judaism.is/assassins.html)
...and took wine with white gloves(why not a crumb instead)What does this mean?
OP here. The Jєω has become a regular (He came four weeks straight). More has been learned about him. He was baptized and confirmed by an SSPX bishop, I was not told which one. He seems to be a little confused. He was in contact with Bishop Williamson about his conversion and Bishop Williamson advised him to attend our SSPX chapel as the best place around here to go for the Sacraments. I did not speak to him myself so I did not question him. He arrived at Mass today and he took off his Jєωιѕн hat but he was still wearing his yarmulke. Then our priest went up to him and pulled him aside and talked to him for a few minutes. He returned without his yarmulke. I did not confirm but I assume the priest told him he should not wear it. He went to Communion.In the event that you ever have a conversation with him, I hope you are familiar with the basics of Judaism.
He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.
In the event that you ever have a conversation with him, I hope you are familiar with the basics of Judaism.I checked your site to see what it was like, only looking at one page, the page on ritual murder. The website was not working properly so I only got to read the first two paragraphs. I am glad for the website you have set up and hope people use it to learn about the Jєωs. I do not like reading such things though. It is enough to know they are children of the devil and evil and can not be trusted. So when a Jєω converts it can be dangerous because you can never know if they can be trusted and are ture converts, more so than people of other religions who convert.
http://judaism.is
OP here. The Jєω has become a regular (He came four weeks straight). More has been learned about him. He was baptized and confirmed by an SSPX bishop, I was not told which one. He seems to be a little confused. He was in contact with Bishop Williamson about his conversion and Bishop Williamson advised him to attend our SSPX chapel as the best place around here to go for the Sacraments. I did not speak to him myself so I did not question him. He arrived at Mass today and he took off his Jєωιѕн hat but he was still wearing his yarmulke. Then our priest went up to him and pulled him aside and talked to him for a few minutes. He returned without his yarmulke. I did not confirm but I assume the priest told him he should not wear it. He went to Communion.I think you should go out of your way to be nice to this person.
He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.
OP here. The Jєω has become a regular (He came four weeks straight). More has been learned about him. He was baptized and confirmed by an SSPX bishop, I was not told which one. He seems to be a little confused. He was in contact with Bishop Williamson about his conversion and Bishop Williamson advised him to attend our SSPX chapel as the best place around here to go for the Sacraments. I did not speak to him myself so I did not question him. He arrived at Mass today and he took off his Jєωιѕн hat but he was still wearing his yarmulke. Then our priest went up to him and pulled him aside and talked to him for a few minutes. He returned without his yarmulke. I did not confirm but I assume the priest told him he should not wear it. He went to Communion.
He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.
... I do not like reading such things though. It is enough to know they are children of the devil and evil and can not be trusted.You ought to inform yourself though. Study the New Testament and what it has to say about Jєωs. There are Jєωs who haven't a clue that Judaism is of the devil, and there are Jєωs who are not necessarily evil and who can be trusted. Many are ignorant or indifferent. And there are Jєωs who are evil.
So when a Jєω converts it can be dangerous because you can never know if they can be trusted and are ture converts, more so than people of other religions who convert.When a Jєω converts he is no longer a Jєω and there is great rejoicing in Heaven, because that man has a chance now for Eternal Salvation. It is when a Jєω is unconverted and pretends conversion that there is danger. Again, you don't need to make that judgement on him. Just make him welcome and treat him like any other member of the congregation.
He knows many of the Catholic prayers we pray and seems pious. I have no idea if he is a legitimate convert but I do not want to be mean to him. I do not know if I can trust him, but I do not want to think badly of him either. For a Jєω to be in touch with Bishop Williamson sympathetically and revering him apparently and asking him spiritual advice after the Swedish interview seems interesting to say the least.There is no real worldly advantage to converting to Catholicism at this point in time (unlike other periods of history) so there is little motive for insincere conversions. New converts, no matter what they are converting from, should not be entrusted with any position of authority or teaching. It takes time for people to learn to think like a Catholic. We should think of new converts as little brothers and sisters in Christ, praying for them and helping them as much as we can.
Yes, but we have other people who convert and they wear the same clothes that they wore before their conversion. Why can't a Jєωιѕн convert?For Jєωs, wearing certain items of clothing is not simply a matter of following a cultural tradition. It is a Jєωιѕн religious observance. It is Catholic teaching that when Jєωs convert that they must stop the practices of their former religion. They should not circuмcise, keep kosher, observe the Sabbath on Saturday, etc. This man was apparently disobeying this teaching.
For Jєωs, wearing certain items of clothing is not simply a matter of following a cultural tradition. It is a Jєωιѕн religious observance. It is Catholic teaching that when Jєωs convert that they must stop the practices of their former religion. They should not circuмcise, keep kosher, observe the Sabbath on Saturday, etc. This man was apparently disobeying this teaching.What if somebody wanted to make a fashion statement?
I was not aware of this teaching when I was a new convert. While in the Novus Ordo, not only did I celebrate Passover, but also, with encouragement from the priests, I led "seders" for the parishioners. As I recall I did not figure out how wrong this was for decades, not until I discovered traditional Catholicism.
What if somebody wanted to make a fashion statement?
What if somebody wanted to make a fashion statement?If it were a fashion statement, that statement would be, "I want people to see me as a Jєω." That is not a statement that a Catholic should be making. тαℓмυdic Judaism is opposed to Christianity. They are mutually exclusive. Becoming a Catholic involves rejecting тαℓмυdic Judaism. It is not possible to be both.
If it were a fashion statement, that statement would be, "I want people to see me as a Jєω." That is not a statement that a Catholic should be making. тαℓмυdic Judaism is opposed to Christianity. They are mutually exclusive. Becoming a Catholic involves rejecting тαℓмυdic Judaism. It is not possible to be both.Well stated.
This man is very possibly ignorant and not culpable, but he is almost certainly doing something objectively wrong. It sounds like the priest there is giving him instructions and explanations, so we can hope that this behaviour changes.