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35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
« on: January 11, 2024, 10:51:33 AM »
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  • My company is in Round 3 of a RIF (reduction in force) and it's 35% across the org.  I received a weird meeting invite from a VP entitled "Organization Update" and the invitee list is hidden so I don't know if I'm the only one invited or not.  Can't forward it either.  

    I'm feeling nervous because I'm over 50 and I've heard it's very difficult for older workers to get jobs.

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2024, 10:55:29 AM »
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  • I may be in a similar situation soon.  Millions will be.  All over the country.  Big companies know the economy is going to shrink and they will cut jobs to save their bottom-line.  

    God has a plan.


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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2024, 12:03:02 PM »
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  • Does this mean a recession is beginning?

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2024, 12:20:07 PM »
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  • Does this mean a recession is beginning?

    I think we're past recession and probably ramping up into a full-blown depression.

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2024, 12:23:08 PM »
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  • I've been in your boat, OP, and, yes, it's harder to find a job when you're in your 50s.  Employers tend to think that such employees would have less enthusiasm this late in their careers and might just be looking to coast into retirement.  I'll pray for you, because it's not a great spot to be in.  And it's harder now precisely because of all the companies laying off due to the general economy, where you're competing with a lot of people for the jobs that are let, kindof like in a game of musical chairs.

    Happened to me when I worked as an Architect at a big bank during the 2008 financial crisis, where my bank totally collapsed, we got transitioned to a bank that bought us, and then we were laid off due to our being redundant staff with the other bank (they just wanted the accounts and branches, and not the IT systems, since they already had those).  Thankfully it took them nearly 2 years to sort it all out, and then after that they gave us a one-year severance ... which gave me enough time to find a job.  And I was only about 40 when that happened, so I didn't have the age issue to content with.


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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #5 on: January 11, 2024, 01:14:50 PM »
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  • OP here:  My position has been eliminated and I received my 60 day notice.  I will receive severance + bonus and job search assistance.  It's a group Zoom firing.  They said it's because they want to keep profits high.  I'm totally disgusted.

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #6 on: January 11, 2024, 01:39:04 PM »
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  • OP here:  My position has been eliminated and I received my 60 day notice.  I will receive severance + bonus and job search assistance.  It's a group Zoom firing.  They said it's because they want to keep profits high.  I'm totally disgusted.

    Sorry about that.  At least they gave you 60 days and a severance + bonus.  That buys you some time.  Many companies would have told you just to pack your belongings and escorted you out of the building.  Of course, it's always about keeping "profits high".  And they offer the notice probably by law (some states require it if you're laying off more than N number of people at the same time), and the severance + bonus to keep people from lashing out, sabotaging things, and for PR purposes ... not from the kindness of their hearts.

    By the time your 60 days and severance/bonus run out, we could all be in the same boat with a full economic collapse.  You could probably use that time to maybe go to daily Mass, etc. while you're looking for work.  God allowed it to happen for a reason.  Usually in that 60-day "lame duck" period, they're not expecting a lot of productivity out of you and so you can probably show up late, leave early, work from home more, etc.

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2024, 02:16:27 PM »
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  • Usually in that 60-day "lame duck" period, they're not expecting a lot of productivity out of you and so you can probably show up late, leave early, work from home more, etc.
    Are you seriously encouraging him to commit a sin of robbing his employer of the time/service he is being paid for???
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #8 on: January 11, 2024, 02:21:03 PM »
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  • OP, could you describe your job duties?

    I'm just curious what jobs are not safe, what jobs don't offer enough benefit to a company, etc.
    I have children who are approaching "working age" so this isn't just idle curiosity on my part.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #9 on: January 11, 2024, 02:29:14 PM »
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  • Are you seriously encouraging him to commit a sin of robbing his employer of the time/service he is being paid for???

    Give if a rest.  As I said, the employer is not expecting any productivity during those 60 days.  It's offered to appease the wrath of the laid-off workforce and for PR reasons, and most employees are salaried (aka "exempt") so there's no expectation of putting in 40 hours.  They often require you to work more than 40 under the terms of exempt employment, but the downside for them is that they also can't require employees to work 40 to get their full pay.  You evidently have no understanding of corporate employment.  They'll expect you to work 50-60 hours per week without paying OT under that kind of employment, but then can't force you to work 40 when things are slow.  It's not hourly employment.  And, even if it were for OP, there's no expectation whatsoever for full productivity during the lame duck timeframe except possibly to do knowledge transfer of your job duties, if applicable.

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #10 on: January 11, 2024, 02:43:24 PM »
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  • Are you seriously encouraging him to commit a sin of robbing his employer of the time/service he is being paid for???
    Chill.  My boss already told me I basically don't have to do anything for the next 60 days.


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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #11 on: January 11, 2024, 02:44:52 PM »
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  • OP, could you describe your job duties?

    I'm just curious what jobs are not safe, what jobs don't offer enough benefit to a company, etc.
    I have children who are approaching "working age" so this isn't just idle curiosity on my part.
    Tech project mgmt. 25 yrs exp.

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #12 on: January 11, 2024, 02:45:46 PM »
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  • Give if a rest.  As I said, the employer is not expecting any productivity during those 60 days.  It's offered to appease the wrath of the laid-off workforce and for PR reasons, and most employees are salaried (aka "exempt") so there's no expectation of putting in 40 hours.  They often require you to work more than 40 under the terms of exempt employment, but the downside for them is that they also can't require employees to work 40 to get their full pay.  You evidently have no understanding of corporate employment.  They'll expect you to work 50-60 hours per week without paying OT under that kind of employment, but then can't force you to work 40 when things are slow.  It's not hourly employment.  And, even if it were for OP, there's no expectation whatsoever for full productivity during the lame duck timeframe except possibly to do knowledge transfer of your job duties, if applicable.
    It's tech so....yeah.

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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #13 on: January 11, 2024, 03:06:11 PM »
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  • Managers are inherently middlemen -- they aren't doing any direct work which earns the company money. So there's always a danger.

    The company I work for is in the telecom industry. In California no less. The company is doing great, making lots of money (upgrading/installing equipment at cell sites). They have a fleet of techs who do the actual work.

    But they have several "project managers" whose main work is to give/receive e-mails and update a spreadsheet. They also have "schedulers" who schedule where the techs will work each day.

    There is tons of inefficiency and lost money (stolen by employees, fines for keeping equipment too long, repeat trips to sites that didn't need to happen, etc.) so their answer? Software. That's where I come in.

    Myself and a few others in a low-cost area of the country (Texas) are writing software that's going to streamline, automate, and allow the company to cut all kinds of management jobs (especially project managers, job schedulers, etc.) because those jobs will be completely redundant after our software is fully complete.

    That's why I tell everyone who will listen: make sure you do real work, offer real value, in whatever career you choose. Sure, there are "cushy" jobs where you seem to do little or nothing. OR let's say you're not lazy -- but your job is mind-numbingly boring and seems like a computer could do it -- both quicker and better. Either way, make no mistake: you're on borrowed time. The time will come when they DISCOVER how little you do, and/or how easily you could be replaced by a robot or computer.

    Then you're toast.

    So young people: pick careers where you can't be replaced. Something where you do REAL WORK that benefits a company. Something in-person. Something that requires human/rational skill. And so forth.
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    Re: 35% Workforce Reduction at Major Healthcare Provider
    « Reply #14 on: January 11, 2024, 05:09:45 PM »
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  • Are you seriously encouraging him to commit a sin of robbing his employer of the time/service he is being paid for???


    Yes, I agree.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?