That's what I can't find any docuмentation of and the priest that went to Fatima said there isn't any.

If she only verbally stated the contents to the ecclesiastical authorities and they kept it secret and didn't write it down anywhere,
wouldn't that be strange when it states things that need to happen so WWII won't break out?

For a prophecy to be true there has to be a record of it before the events (like the light in the sky) doesn't there?

The great difficulty in studying Fatima is the concerted effort to suppress information.

Father Joaquin Maria Alonso, C.M.F. (1913—1981)

Born:		1913;
Died:		15 December 1981;

In 1966, the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, João Pereira Venâncio, commissioned Father Alonso to work on a critical history of the heavenly revelations associated with Fatima. As a result, 24 volumes (approximately 800 pages each) containing at least 5396 original docuмents were prepared for publication. However, the publication of these volumes was stopped by the new Bishop Msgr. Albert Cosimo do Amaral. It was not until the 1990s that the first two volumes were published, in heavily edited form. The rest of the volumes never saw the light of day.

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If he was a traditionalist priest, as you said, then he probably isn't going to get access to private docuмents of any kind. I don't think that proves anything. We're not talking about a public library where anyone can go in and check out a copy of Tom Sawyer. The Church has never had a FOIA request system, and has never believed in the idea.

From what I understand from what he told me and others online in videos on the subject the docuмents showing the recordings of the

 original interviews and statements

of the seers are only available at Fatima to be checked out and read on the premises, but if you have any actual evidence (not just conjecture) to the contrary please provide it for us.



Does anybody know if these docuмents are legit and how to translate them?
Interrotagórios  de Artur de Oliveria Santos, Doc. 53, Docuмentação Critica de Fátima I. Fátima Sanctuary, 1992

Fernandes J, D’Armada F.  Celestial Secrets, The Hidden History of the Fátima Incident.  Anamolist Books, San Antonio (Texas), 2006

Also, we have no way of proving or disproving the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima.

  We had about 70,000 witnesses to the miracle of the sun, including very many highly credible witnesses, not to mention some atheists who went there to debunk the miracle and yet who saw it anyway.  Not only did they see and describe the celestial phenomenon, but they reported that people's muddy clothes were dried and cleaned.  Some in the crowd even received miraculous healings during the event.

By your standards, we have no way of "proving or disproving" Our Lord's Resurrection either.  What's the matter with you?

But as I said, I agree with you that what he said doesn't prove anything.  I have a hard time believing he would be lying, but who knows I guess. 

Still wondering where Lad read the accounts?

I've read them translated in the various articles that debunk this garbage that you're purveying.  There was a book released about the early notes of the parish priest who initially interviewed the seers.  You can find them yourself if you Google your phrase "Our Lady of Fatima short skirt."

Lucia and Jacinta reported both a long dress and a shorter dress (and by shorter we're talking about below the knees).  You're trying to spin this nonsense as if Our Lady had been wearing a mini-skirt.  But the contradiction is resolved by Francisco, who stated that she wore a long dress and also a mantle over top of it, and that it was the mantle that went to here knees.  Stupidity over.

Except I know that you're going to persist with this garbage despite approbations from the highest levels of the Church.  Church is ALWAYS incredibly skeptical of all apparitions, and it takes a great deal of vetting before the Church will approve any given apparition.  They had many of the Church's top minds going meticulously through all the evidence.

Nobody is required to believe in Fatima, but that also doesn't give you the right to smear the Church for approving an apparition that's allegedly replete with scandal and and heresies (as the UFOlogist clown claims).

So you've still failed to answer the question.  What did the devil accomplish with these "fake apparitions"?  Getting people to pray the Rosary more?  Getting people to make the First Saturdays?  Getting people to do more penance?  Cautioning about profanation of Sundays and also about immodest fashions (while herself of course sporting a mini-skirt), right?  Warning about the errors of Russia overtaking the entire world?  Oh, and warning about an apostasy in the Church that would "begin at the top" around 1960.  Hey, maybe that's it.  Maybe Our Lady at Fatima wanted to deceive Traditional Catholics into becoming schismatics by seeing some Crisis in the Church that wasn't really there.

When you go off half-cocked on your conspiracy theories, the number one requirement is for you to demonstrate the cui bono, what the devil accomplished by these allegedly false apparitions.  You've done nothing of the sort, so your asurd conspiracy theory is an epic fail.

What is wrong with people these days?

Okay, so America Needs Fatima sees this docuмent as legit:


What Did Our Lady Look Like at Fatima, Portugal?
The first and main source is a collection of docuмents published by the Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima in Portugal called Docuмentação Crítica de Fátima, Seleção de Docuмentos (1917-1930).

https://americaneedsfatima.org/articles/what-did-our-lady-look-like-at-fatima-portugal

The article has a nice photo of the FAKE Sr Lucy.  smh


Anyway,
Just started searching through the Fatima docuмent for the word saia in Portuguese and using Google translate for those sections it does confirm accounts of a short skirt and earrings.  smh



A Lúcia disse que estavam assentados todos e que a mulher apareceu ficando para o lado da Fátima. Primeiro viram um relâmpago, levantaram-se e começaram a juntar as ovelhas para se irem embora com medo, depois viram outro relâmpago, depois viram uma mulher em cima duma carrasqueira, vestida de branco, nos pés meias brancas, saia branca dourada, casaco branco, manto branco, que trazia pela cabeça, o manto não era dourado e a saia era toda dourada a atravessar, trazia um cordão de ouro e umas arrecadas muito pequeninas, tinha as mãos erguidas e quando falava alargava os braços e mãos abertas.


Lucia said that they were all seated and that the woman appeared, standing next to Fatima. First they saw a flash of lightning, they got up and began to gather the sheep to leave in fear, then they saw another flash of lightning, then they saw a woman on top of a holm oak tree, dressed in white, white stockings on her feet, a white golden skirt, a white coat , a white mantle, which she wore over her head, the mantle was not gilded and the skirt was all gilded crossing, she was wearing a gold cord and some very small earrings, she had her hands raised and when she spoke she stretched her arms and hands open.



tinha nas orelhas uns botões muito pequeninos e muito chegados às orelhas
in her ears were very small buttons, very close to her ears;




não trazia sapatos; a saia era branca e toda dourada e dava-lhe pelos joelhos; o dourado era aos cordões a atravessar e nos cordões aos biquinhos; casaco branco todo dourado; um manto pela cabeça era branco e todo dourado
the skirt was white and all gold and came down to her knees; the golden one was for the cords to be crossed and on the cords for the beaks; white coat all gold; a mantle over the head was white and all gold

There are more but people should look at the evidence for themselves.

This is the docuмent:
https://www.fatima.pt/files/upload/fontes/F001_DCF_selecao.pdf

Use "control f" to search for saia.

We have the Feeneyite Flat-Earther Russophile calling out people for going "half-cocked" on "conspiracy theories"? What kind of farcical world have we entered into since Covid?

Going to defend lad here because the Church has NEVER taught BoD/BOB as a doctrine. Flat/earth is not geo centrism so this seems like a strawman, russophile? Putin is Jєωιѕн or a jew puppet, he wears a red kabbalah string....

Okay, so America Needs Fatima sees this docuмent as legit:

ANF is not a legitimate sourse. ANF is a front organization for TFP which was founded to fleece the Novus Ordo of their $$$. According to Bishop Mayer is a "heretical, anti-clerical, anti-Catholic cult."

As they say in TFP "When TFP needs money, then America Needs Fatima."