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2 questions on your habits of offering mental prayer
« on: November 03, 2015, 09:00:02 PM »
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  • Do you spend a minimum duration every day in mental prayer?

    Do you always meditate - perhaps using the Ignatian method, or that of some other saint - or do you say what's on your mind without necessarily planning the subject matter in advance (or both)?

    I'm posting this in the anonymous forum so that any of you who are well established in this holy habit and don't wish to have that known, can help me without having it become an occasion of pride. I need to work on mental prayer and I thought it would help if I had some idea as to what the norm is, if any, among trad laypeople.

    I've read that 1/2 hour to one hour / day is recommended, although I'm unsure if that's for religious, or for everyone. Of course, that could be a goal to gradually work toward.
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  • I meditate when I pray the Rosary, but not at other times. I pray prayers or ask God for graces or ask saints and the Blessed Mother for their intercession, but I do not meditate other than when I pray the Rosary.


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  • A timely post.  I have been studying this
    a little lately.  There is some good information in the book "A Dominican Life". I would post it here.  St. Alphonsos Ligouri and Saint Francis de Sales spoke a lot about mental prayer. There is an excellent video explaining a good method also that I will try to post.  

    I try for twice a day. In the morning and at night.  Lately, I like to use Liturgical Texts to start the contemplation.  On All Souls' Day the indulgence in the cemetary requires mental prayer. I used the Liturgy of the Office of the Dead and contemplation on the quattor novissimos.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 03, 2015, 09:17:19 PM »
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  • This is a very informative video... Enjoy




    Some third orders such as the Order of Penance of St. Dominic have it in their constitutions, 30 minutes in the morning is what it says is preferred taking care to select the subjects of mental prayer the night before.  It is given much importance.  We are usually taught to meditate on the Rosary and after Communion to make mental prayer but it is important.  The difference between mental prayer and contemplation and meditation is explained in the book "A Dominican Life".

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    « Reply #4 on: November 03, 2015, 09:46:51 PM »
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  • I try to say 3 rosaries a day and meditation is there.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 04, 2015, 04:02:00 AM »
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  • John of the Cross described the difference between discursive meditation and contemplation by saying: "The difference between these two conditions of the soul is like the difference between working, and enjoyment of the fruit of our work; between receiving a gift, and profiting by it; between the toil of travelling and the rest of our journey's end"

    The method of St. Alphonsus de Ligouri is discussed in the video posted.  It begins with a preparation of three acts: an act Faith in the presence of God, and act of Humility, and a prayer for God's guidance.  The contemplation and the conclusion.  



    St Teresa de Avila: ""Contemplative prayer is nothing else than a close sharing between friends; it means taking time frequently to be alone with him who we know loves us."


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    « Reply #6 on: November 04, 2015, 06:19:43 AM »
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  • I'm gonna post one last time about the mental prayer, and about some things I use.

    The Dominicans of Avrillé have a very helpful article by Fr. Wilberforce on their website.  It explains that the preparation prayers should only be a few short minutes, that is the act of Faith in the presence of God, et. al.  

    About the meditation Fr. Wilberforce makes a very good distinction.

    Quote from: Fr. Wilberforce


    ii. Body of the Prayer

    In order to pray with fruit and without distraction, it is very useful, and in most cases necessary, to spend some time meditation or pious thought, on some definite subject ; and from this fact, as before stated, the whole exercise is often called meditation. Instead of mental prayer. This often misleads people into imagining that meditation , that is, the use of the intellect in thinking on a holy subject, the main end to be aimed at, whereas in fact it is prayer, or conversation with God. Meditation furnishes us with the matter for conversation, but it is not itself prayer at all. When thinking and reflecting, the soul speaks to itself, reasons with itself; in prayer it speaks to God.

    Meditation, in its wide sense, is any kind of attentive and repeated thought upon any subject and with any intention ; but in the more restricted sense in which it is understood as a part of mental prayer, it is, as St. Francis of Sales puts it, ” an attentive thought, voluntarily repeated or entertained in the mind, to excite the will to holy and salutary reflections and resolutions“. It differs in its object from mere study : we study to improve our minds and to store up information ; we meditate to move the will to pray and to embrace good. We study that we may know, we meditate that we may pray.

    We must then use the mind in thus thinking of or pondering on a sacred subject for a few minutes; and in order to help the mind in this exercise, we must have some definite subject of thought, upon which it is well to read either a text of Holy Scripture, or a few lines out of some other holy book. St. Teresa tells us that she thus helped herself with a book for seventeen years. By this short reading, the mind is rendered attentive and is set on a train of thought. Further to help the mind, you can ask yourself some such questions as the following : What does this mean ? What lesson does it teach me? What have I done about this in the past ? What shall I now do, and how ?

    Two remarks are here most important.

    The first is, that care must be taken not to read too much. but to stop when any thought strikes the mind. If the reading is prolonged , if for example, in a short prayer of half-an-hour you were to read for ten minutes, the exercise would be changed into spiritual reading.



    http://www.dominicansavrille.us/an-easy-method-of-mental-prayer/


    This method is good.  It is very different from meditating on the 15 mysteries of the Holy Rosary, which is vocal prayer combined with meditation.


    It shouldn't be confused with Lectio divina, which is like a sort of spiritual reading that savors.  The object of the text is to start the mind.  It doesn't have to be text.  It can be an image or crucifix.  

    What seems to work well for me is a verse from Psalms.  It is best to plan it the night before so you are not searching for the perfect text during the start of the meditation.  The Liturgy is especially helpful, also the Little Office or others.  If you already use them for vocal prayer, you can also use a few of your favorite verses for meditation and enrich both.  A few Latin verses from the Mass might work well as this short reading if you are less familiar with some of the other Liturgical texts.

    Also, the Dialogue of Saint Catherine works very well!


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  • I have a question: Should we try to pray vocal prayers audibly, or at least 'with the lips', or is praying formulaic prayers silently, as in mental prayer, just as beneficial? I find that in times of desolation the sound of my own voice, or even the effort of praying with the lips seems too much. But maybe I should persevere and suffer the added desolations that seem to come with that method.


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    2 questions on your habits of offering mental prayer
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  • I seem to have the impression that contemplation is a passive acceptance of special consoling graces that are given as a reward, over which we have no control, and that it can't really be something to actively do, unlike meditation.
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    On All Souls' Day the indulgence in the cemetary requires mental prayer.

    Really? Would you happen to have a source handy? I'm not familiar with any requirement for mental prayer for any indulgence, but I have a lot to learn.
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  • ... unless you mean quiet prayer as distinct from vocal prayer. I think of mental prayer as praying in my own words, internally, as distinct from offering formulaic prayers, i.e. Pater Noster, Ave, etc., whether internally or out loud.
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    On All Souls' Day the indulgence in the cemetary requires mental prayer.

    Really? Would you happen to have a source handy? I'm not familiar with any requirement for mental prayer for any indulgence, but I have a lot to learn.



    Quote from: The Raccolta

    421. Mental Prayer.
    i. Plenary, once a month, to all the faithful who make mental prayer devoutly for half an hour, or at least a quarter of an hour, a day. I,II, IV.
    ii. Plenary, once a month, to those who frequently teach or learn how to make mental prayer. I, II, IV.  Page 168 of 187
    iii. Seven Years and Seven Quarantines, every time, for teaching- or learning, in public or private, how to make mental prayer, I,II. (See Instructions.) 421 Benedict XIV, Br. December 16, 1746


    Mental prayer fulfills the indulgence of All Souls' day, but it is not required as I had believed.

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    ... unless you mean quiet prayer as distinct from vocal prayer. I think of mental prayer as praying in my own words, internally, as distinct from offering formulaic prayers, i.e. Pater Noster, Ave, etc., whether internally or out loud.



    Mental prayer is a form of prayer whereby one loves God through dialogue, meditating on God's words, and contemplation of his face. It is a time of silence focused on God. It is distinguished from vocal prayers which use set prayers, although mental prayer can proceed by using vocal prayers in order to improve dialogue with God.

    Mental prayer was defined by Fr. John Hardon as a "form of prayer in which the sentiments expressed are one's own and not those of another person. Mental prayer is accomplished by internal acts of the mind and affections and is either simple meditation or contemplation." Prayer is mental when the thoughts and affections of the soul are not expressed in a previously determined formula. The function of mental prayer) is to transform the mind and through the transformation of the mind to effect a change in dispositions and in the heart. This mental conversion is not as simple as it is usually taken to be, but normally involves a long time process. Adolphe Tanquerey distinguishes between vocal prayer, which is expressed by words or gestures, and mental prayer, "which takes place wholly within the soul". It is a time of silence focused on God and one's relationship with him. It is distinguished from vocal prayers which use set prayers, although mental prayer can proceed by using vocal prayers in order to improve dialogue with God. Mental prayer can be divided into meditation, or active mental prayer; and contemplation, passive mental prayer.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 01:53:18 AM »
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  • Mental prayer is very easy.  It is talking to God, Our Lady, a saint(s), etc.  It is just talking and thinking as we talk.  In this way it differs from formal, written " vocal" prayers.  The subject matter about which we speak should be such that it elevates our minds to God and makes us want to grow in understanding of His teachings, grow in the practice of virtue, etc.  The goal is to help us become holy by interacting with God on a personal level.  Formal prayers can be said by a group.  Mental prayer is made by individuals, even if they all make mental prayer at one time, as monks and nuns do.  Each soul is individual; each one's prayer is particular to that individual.

    God often offers us an invitation to mental prayer while we are praying vocally.  Example:  We are saying the Rosary and as we think about a mystery there is something we wish to understand better.  We can stop and just talk to God or Our Lady about what we wish to understand. If we feel pity for Jesus in His Passion, tell Him.  THAT is mental prayer.  Tell Him all you feel.  The same goes for any other mystery, or any truth of the faith such as His Presence in the Holy Eucharist, or any dogma like His Birth, etc.  If you've done spiritual reading, you can talk to Him about what you read.  Ask Him to guide you to find subjects which will hold your attention and you will enjoy thinking about and talking about with Him.  The same goes for Our Lady.

    You can imagine yourself present at any incident in the Scriptures. What would you do?  If you were present when Jesus gave a parable, and you had the chance to ask Him a question, what would you say?  This is mental prayer.  Ask the question!

    What if you were the Samaritan woman at the well.  What if you found Jesus all by Himself and He asked you for a cup of water.  What would you want to talk to Him about if you had time with Him all alone.  What if you were Nicodemus coming to Him in the night as He prayed alone on the mountainside.  What would you want to say to Him?  Say it.  This is mental prayer.

    We say what we feel in our heart and we say it to whomever we are praying to.  Then we spend time thinking about what we said.  This time of silence gives the Holy Spirit an opportunity to inspire us, or enlighten us, or even just give our souls more peace than we had before we prayed.

    Even if you have a problem to talk to Him about that isn't particularly religious in nature, make it so.  Talk to Him about the problem and then think about what He taught in the Gospels--can you find any words of advice there that pertains to what is bothering you?  Talk to Him about it.  Elevate even the most mundane things to a spiritual level this way so that every moment of your life becomes spiritualized so to speak, and therefore more for the glory of God.

    Don't worry now about contemplation if you are a beginner.  That usually comes later.  There are two kinds:  acquired and infused, but unless you receive a special grace from God drawing you to that kind of prayer (it just happens; you can't refuse so don't start wondering if you have it or not), you begin with simple meditation and when your mind wants to stop and think about something, you do so and talk to Our Lord or Whoever is the subject of the meditation.  It is a conversation with the One Whom we know loves us, as St. Teresa of Avila says.  It's that simple.  When St. Margaret Mary asked her Mistress of Novices how to make mental prayer, she was told "Go place yourself before God as a blank canvass before the painter."  What was meant was, just go to Him and let HIM do with your soul what He wants to do.  It may feel awkward at first but if you truly believe you ARE talking to God or Our Lady or a saint, you will become comfortable with it and find delight in it.

    I recommend the method of meditation taught by St. Francis de Sales.  St. Teresa of Avila used to like to think of Jesus in His Agony in the Garden.  She wrote that it is good to use a good Life of Christ for reading and that this helped her with her prayer until God raised her to a higher state of prayer.  Her works talk about how to make prayer and they are excellent.

    The saints recommend meditating on the Passion all year long because no matter how deeply you go into thinking about it, there is still more to understand than we possibly can be given this side of Heaven and it consoles Jesus for us to think of what He suffered for our own sins and helps keep us from sinning more if we remember what He endured because of them.  

    What I've written is a very short compilation of years of study on the spiritual life from the writings of the greatest saints and theologians.  It works.

    And remember:  Of ourselves we can do nothing but sin.  If you feel drawn to mental prayer, it is God drawing you to it. Accept the invitation.  He will help you do what He wants of you.  Don't be scared.  It would be impossible to find another person who understands you so well as your Lord and Savior.  Mental prayer can be a sheer delight.  

    Read some books about the spiritual life to understand more about this if you wish.  Many are on archive.org. for free.  

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  • Thanks - that's very helpful!
    What return shall I make to the Lord for all the things that He hath given unto me?