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"Yes, dear" husbands
« on: May 14, 2021, 12:18:00 PM »
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  • Are they manly or p****-whipped?


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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #1 on: May 14, 2021, 12:23:07 PM »
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  • husbands should listen to their wives too. they have opinions, and the husband's opinion is not absolute simply because he's a man. be humble. compromise.


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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #2 on: May 14, 2021, 12:26:34 PM »
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  • Are they manly or p****-whipped?
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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2021, 12:26:57 PM »
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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2021, 12:59:56 PM »
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    At my chapel here, I see many sheepish husbands doing everything they can to placate their wives and children. Is this good or bad?
    1 Cor. 7:33 simply states a fact: "he that is with a wife is solicitous for the things of the world: how he may please his wife", but St. Paul doesn't say husbands shouldn't please their wives.
    Col. 3:19 seems to imply husbands should placate their wives: "Husbands, love your wives and be not bitter towards them."

    Should a husband obey/compromise with the wife in everything but sin?


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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #5 on: May 14, 2021, 01:03:11 PM »
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  • Are they manly or *****-whipped?
    This is vile and impure language, which does not belong on a Catholic forum.  

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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2021, 01:34:21 PM »
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  • This is vile and impure language, which does not belong on a Catholic forum.  
    I totally agree. The whole thread is stupid and no one would ever miss a thing if it were deleted.

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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2021, 01:49:15 PM »
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  • At my chapel here, I see many sheepish husbands doing everything they can to placate their wives and children. Is this good or bad?
    1 Cor. 7:33 simply states a fact: "he that is with a wife is solicitous for the things of the world: how he may please his wife", but St. Paul doesn't say husbands shouldn't please their wives.
    Col. 3:19 seems to imply husbands should placate their wives: "Husbands, love your wives and be not bitter towards them."

    Should a husband obey/compromise with the wife in everything but sin?
    It certainly can be a problem. I knew a guy (not Catholic, no kids) who really wanted to be self-employed. His wife insisted that he stay working at a mine (good pay/benefits), so he did. He was quite unhappy and miserable to be around. The day after the mortgage was paid (house was in wife's name) he came home to find his clothes and a copy of the divorce papers on the front porch. By not having any spine, even though it did not involve sin, he made both of them miserable.


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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #8 on: May 14, 2021, 02:22:47 PM »
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    Yep, a million more details needed.  Is he always conceding even when it seems not to be for the good of the family?  Is he letting her overrule all his decisions?   For things indifferent to the welfare of souls in the family, "yes, dear" is a virtue, and giving up your own desires for hers is a virtue.  But if he ends up caving simply to avoid the inevitable fight, that could be weakness or, as I've seen it in some cases, resignation.  That phrase when uttered regularly can have the sense of:  "whatever you want, because you don't care what I think anyway."  Prudential considerations dictate whether he should be more forceful or not, especially the receptivity by the subject.  There are many women, the more you try to impose something on them, the more rebellious they become.

    I've noticed this in life.  Men who are willing to obey are much more common than women.  Men make good soldiers and officers and leaders, because they're willing to operate in a hierarchical structure and don't take it personally.  Women, however, have a strong tendency to rebel.  Now, it has bee less so to some extent in earlier times in human history, but I believe only marginally.  You see Traditional Catholics who, while paying lip service to their role of subjection in marriage, don't really believe it and hardly ever act like that's the case.  I think the societies that are able to teach virtues to women are the ones where there's a strong female culture and education, where women desire not to be shunned by other women, and that's the only thing that works to keep them on the straight and narrow from feminism.

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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #9 on: May 14, 2021, 02:29:10 PM »
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  • At my chapel here, I see many sheepish husbands doing everything they can to placate their wives and children. Is this good or bad?
    1 Cor. 7:33 simply states a fact: "he that is with a wife is solicitous for the things of the world: how he may please his wife", but St. Paul doesn't say husbands shouldn't please their wives.
    Col. 3:19 seems to imply husbands should placate their wives: "Husbands, love your wives and be not bitter towards them."

    Should a husband obey/compromise with the wife in everything but sin?
    We don't really know them to be able to judge.  Sacrificing oneself and one's wishes is a virtue ... when the matter is morally indifferent.  Hey, i want chocolate cake for dinner, but my wife really prefers vanilla.  "Yes, dear."  That is self-sacrifice and strength, not weakness.  But if he's caving to her whims on things that he decides would not be good for the souls of the family, then, yes, that would be weakness.  Also, it's important to try to teach women subjection and humility, so they do have to avoid being total pushovers where they consider themselves in charge.  She should be told that every time he gives in to her wishes, it's not a concession of his authority, but rather of his generosity.  Otherwise, by constantly giving in on trivial things, one could give the impression that this is the rule rather than an exception.
    Again, some men might have wives that will simply not accept being told what to do, and those can be a dry martyrdom for these me, and they realize the futility of putting up any fight ... knowing that it'll lead to a total blowup, threats of divorce, vitriolic assaults on the man's character, lack of peace in the family, etc.
    So people keep forgetting to include considerations from the most prince of all the virtues, prudence ... the one which decides how much of what virtue can be practiced when and to what extent.
    So we don't know the makeup of these women and what the husband recognize or do not recognize about whether there's any point in forcing their subjection.

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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #10 on: May 14, 2021, 02:38:22 PM »
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  • It certainly can be a problem. I knew a guy (not Catholic, no kids) who really wanted to be self-employed. His wife insisted that he stay working at a mine (good pay/benefits), so he did. He was quite unhappy and miserable to be around. The day after the mortgage was paid (house was in wife's name) he came home to find his clothes and a copy of the divorce papers on the front porch. By not having any spine, even though it did not involve sin, he made both of them miserable.

    Well, there's a case where I could see a decision going either way.  What if his self-employed venture had failed and then the family really struggled?  Women have a stake in the stability of their husband's work.  I know one guy, a Motu Catholic, who quit one job after another, went on unemployment while he worked get-rich-quick schemes (which all failed).  He couldn't stand the thought of sucking it up and working a normal job.  Finally his wife couldn't take it anymore and divorced him.  They were constantly going on food stamps and unemployment and barely scɾαριɳg by.  That guy was grossly negligent in providing for his family.  Now, does his negligence justify divorce?  No, of course not ... as you are bound for richer or for poorer.


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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #11 on: May 14, 2021, 02:42:10 PM »
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  • This is vile and impure language, which does not belong on a Catholic forum.  

    Agreed, but Trump was a good candidate despite his constant use of such language.

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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #12 on: May 14, 2021, 03:09:04 PM »
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  • Well, there's a case where I could see a decision going either way.  What if his self-employed venture had failed and then the family really struggled?  Women have a stake in the stability of their husband's work.  I know one guy, a Motu Catholic, who quit one job after another, went on unemployment while he worked get-rich-quick schemes (which all failed).  He couldn't stand the thought of sucking it up and working a normal job.  Finally his wife couldn't take it anymore and divorced him.  They were constantly going on food stamps and unemployment and barely scɾαριɳg by.  That guy was grossly negligent in providing for his family.  Now, does his negligence justify divorce?  No, of course not ... as you are bound for richer or for poorer.
    also his problem is that he was a prideful ass thinking he can suddenly get rich
    look at anyone who is actually rich -- it takes them years of sacrifice and actual hard work, not "ooh shiny the stock market, i hope apple's doing well"
    "there's a sucker born every minute" -p.t. barnum

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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #13 on: May 14, 2021, 03:16:38 PM »
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  • if he wanted a get-rich quick scheme, he should've robbed a bank or become a famous pentecostal preacher.

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    Re: "Yes, dear" husbands
    « Reply #14 on: May 22, 2021, 08:33:58 PM »
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  • This is vile and impure language, which does not belong on a Catholic forum.
    It's descriptive, like the word "sodomite". It means an effeminate husband whose wife plays on his weakness to carnal desires in order to control/manipulate him.