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"Traditional-minded Catholics"
« on: May 10, 2012, 02:47:07 PM »
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  • NC at Rorate Caeli has taken to using this terminology:

    "Traditional-minded Catholics"

    Who can explain this nonsense?

    Notice that he also regularly allows "full communion" idiocy to pass unchallenged in the com boxes.

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/05/notice-leaks-leakers-and-standing-ones.html

    Notice that NC also mentions Cathinfo.


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    "Traditional-minded Catholics"
    « Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 12:15:26 AM »
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  • Rorate Caeli obviously has an axe to grind with CathInfo.


    The curious thing is that on CathInfo alone can you find all of the following:


    1) The Sermons of St. Bernard

    2) Commentaries on the Roman Missal

    3) Commentaries on the Sunday Epistles and Gospels

    4) Excerpts from the Byzantine Rite

    5) Excerpts from the Bridgettine Breviary

    6) Excerpts from the Lyonnaise Missal

    7) Excerpts from rare manuals and texts of dogmatic and moral theology, and Canon Law.

    8) Good notes, articles discussions and commentary from Catholics of all sorts of camps and persuasions, touching upon various issues: theological, moral, political, controversial, cultural, economic, liturgical, devotional, current events, etc.


    There is no party-line mentality here, and no rigorous and arbitrary moderation based on narrow-minded prejudices.

    Yeah, that allows some people to write imprudent or stupid things, but many good things have come forth because of Matthew's moderation policies.

    So, before people point fingers and whine, they should focus on what good CathInfo can offer. But when an agenda is involved, they don't do that.

    Besides, whatever is posted by individual members is theirs for which to answer before Our Lord and theirs alone. Matthew has made that very clear.




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    "Traditional-minded Catholics"
    « Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 11:42:53 AM »
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    Rorate Caeli obviously has an axe to grind with CathInfo.


    And let them grind it on our acclimated hearts. I saw the link and the supportive commentary afterwards. Which of the two are more obtuse, I leave to you to decide.  

    If you think about it, those in their commentary sections, who left the 'thank you for your integrity' or 'God bless you for your strength and decency' and other fantastical remarks which imply that those who have leaked and allowed the leaking of these docuмents are somehow disgraceful or perhaps malicious, must be of little Faith indeed.

    To place a value on canonical recognition from Rome above all things, to be so desperate for ordinary jurisdiction and legitimacy in the eyes of Rome exposes their lack of faith and understanding of the mission of the Great Archbishop to whom the Society owes its existence. Anyone who minimally knows about who he was and what he stood for would blush to think of how he might view the potential 'deal' that might take place for practical purposes. I say these people, who are not bad willed, rather likely very good willed and perhaps holy people, have allowed themselves to become disillusioned.

    "Perhaps we're wrong?" "We must take what we can get, Rome will put up with our status no more." "This is our last chance."

    Truth need never fear and is not beholdent to one, especially to those who marginalize her! If it did, he who by the will of God who held to Truth when much of the world rejected it would never have gone as far as he did in starting this union of priests.

    Simply said, if we should join Rome now, we have been wrong all along. If Truth could quiver in the face of fear and the recognition of the Society in the eyes of Rome were so important, Bishop Fellay himself need not be a bishop, nor the others; actually, their given state in life would be a step in the direction of damnation, as would would be all of us laity who have supported them thus far.

    Some good men have said, "But recognition is important. It can very well be the way to bring about the restoration of the Church." This is indeed a legitimate position to take, for, unless one amongst us has been given divine revelation in regards to these particular matters, what they say is not bad. But even though the both of our positions will the good of the Church, one can be better than the other, objectively.

    I would argue that if recognition were so beneficial, and given to us already Tradition would not have flourished as much as it has today; the bringing of Tradition to all corners of the world would simply not be, for it has to many enemies amongst those who would 'recognize' her; who would officially legitimize her, though malign her through actions. You think the Conciliar Church would have crossed the great seas to bring the Magisterium of old to all peoples? On the contrary, they would, and actually have, done the opposite. They have scourged her, as was done to Our Blessed Lord in his Passion.

    For those who are still united to this principle, that accepting an offer of recognition is indeed a worthy sign of providence, I leave you with the words of the man whom you've already entrusted yourselves to:

    "No rallying, no rallying to the liberals; no rallying to the ecclesiastics who are governing in the Church now and who are liberals; there is no rallying to these people. From the moment when we rally ourselves, this rallying will be the acceptance of the liberal principles. We cannot do this, even if certain appeasements are given us on the Mass of St. Pius V - certain satisfactions, certain recognitions, certain incardinations, which could even be offered to you eventually..."
    -Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre


    Take not my word, but of this latter day saint, whom most of us hope to be inclined to thank for our eternal happiness.

    There is one thing that is certain. Benedict, Rome, needs the Society. They have everything to gain, we have everything to lose. The Church in Europe is dying; it is finished. The SSPX would be a shot of epinephrine to the corpse that has been drugged with false ecuмenism, false religious liberty, a false conscience and false rights and freedoms. The transparency that this union which is sought by Benedict is one not of love of Tradition or the eternal Magisterium that has been handed down, which the Society has kept until now, but one of a frantic last-ditch effort to save what has already been lost; its like a drama where a lover in a relationship already damned rushes in to kiss the person they've already lost.

    Do we react as an emotional lover, knowing that if we accept and return the showing of affection, however desperate,  it will ease the pain we now feel, only to be surely ruined in the long run? Or do we think with the mind God gave us, and know that what's done is done. What may hurt now will surely be our strength in the future?