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Letter from Mr. James Gebel
8/2/09
My name is Jim Gebel; and, as of Palm Sunday of 2009, I have been a former member of St. Gertrude the Great Church ("SGG") in West Chester, Ohio (a suburb of Cincinnati). On July 3, 2009, I wrote a letter to Bp. Dolan (the pastor of SGG) explaining why I left. The initial thing which spurred me on to do that was an e-mail written by Eamon Shea the previous Christmas (2008) to Bp. Dolan -- a letter in which he alleged and/or alluded to inappropriate things going on at SGG -- things which were ignored or even condoned by the bishop and his assistant pastor.
I got hold of a copy of Eamon's e-mail; and after reading it, I did some "investigating" myself to ascertain about his allegations (some of which I already knew to be true). After checking with other SGG members to corroborate what Eamon alleged, I found out that all of what he was saying was true. That got my blood up, and caused me to decide to write to them myself (and to quit the place).
I must say, though, that I agonized over doing it. I thought, "This is not my fight. Why should I go to bat for someone else? Should I leave well enough alone?" But then I thought about the good, innocent parishioners who have been victimized at SGG, both by its clergy and at its school, and who have been ignored and discarded by them -- like so much unwanted refuse. To do nothing is to condone this. To do nothing is to perpetuate this.
So, I realized that it was my duty to speak up, that it was wrong to just sit there and let it happen unabated. Justice demanded it. Christian charity demands it. And, as to whether "it's my fight" or not, it's everyone's fight. The fact that some of the victimized have apparently "not fought back" does not give me leave to "pull a Pontius Pilate" and wash my hands of it.
Of course, one of my friends at SGG voiced his concern that I would be engaging in detraction if I spoke out (an interesting choice of words, since detraction is truth; he suspected that what I was going to say was true). But, after writing a draft of the letter and showing it to two lawyers, I was told by them that it was not only not detraction but that what I said in it was eminently justified. So I sent it out.
And in doing so, I have found out what it's like to be a "whistle blower" or "crusader." First off, it's a difficult, time-consuming task. Second, it's a largely thankless job (now I know how Eamon feels!). Several of the people at SGG, on whose behalf I took the risk to do it, criticized me for what I had to say; some wouldn't even answer my e-mails or phone calls -- even though they knew what I said was true and could not deny it. Out of a misplaced and inordinate "respect for the cloth," they thought that what I said was "inappropriate" or even detraction. The really hypocritical thing about it, though, is that when Fr. Cekada told Eamon (in an earlier e-mail) that he (Eamon) was (and I quote) "mentally ill," there was no hue and cry from them that this was detraction. Of course, they were "right," but only in one respect -- it wasn't detraction, it was slander! It seems odd that they can consider what Fr. Cekada said as "gospel" and what Eamon said as "garbage."
It's amazing to me that when someone has the courage and takes the initiative to speak out, all kinds "theater critics" suddenly come out of the woodwork to "critique the play" -- usually condemning the author on some "technicality," like the Pharisees of old. One SGG "lackey" criticized Eamon as being "disrespectful" for referring to Our Lady as God's "mom" in his Ode, instead of the usual "mother." So what?! For one thing, "mom" is a more intimate, endearing term than the more formal "mother." There is nothing disrespectful about it! And what's more, the "cadence" of the poem called for a one-syllable word. But Pharisees being what they are, they can't help themselves; when they can't refute the truth, they attack the truth-giver.
Another mode of attack that I've seen employed, both against Eamon and against me for what I said about SGG, is the argument of "leave these men alone; no matter what they are, the sacraments they give are valid -- and that's what counts." Wrong! For those at SGG who use this argument, I say this: First, they're not the "only game in town." There are other masses just as valid (maybe more so), and Dolan & Co. has neither the authority nor the jurisdiction to render them "illicit." Secondly, sticking with someone whom one knows is endangering the spiritual and physical well-being of fellow parishioners, for the sake of getting the valid sacraments, is both selfish and sinful -- especially when the sacraments are available from others. For those who risk their fellow parishioners' well-being to get their sacraments, I say "shame on you!"
For those who would take issue with what Eamon or I has said, I will again reiterate: "it's easy to be a theater critic, but it's hard to write the play." We "wrote the play." We took the risk. We stuck our necks out (for the good of others) to stand up and say something -- even though it wasn't our fight and we had little or nothing to gain by it. So whatever our critics may level at us, they cannot say that we did it for selfish, mercenary, or "vested" reasons.
Let me say "thank God for Eamon." He had the courage to stand up and fight against something that he saw (and that facts prove) to be wrong. Not many will take the time and trouble to do that. Now there are some of you -- especially some of the present members of SGG -- who in good faith take issue with some of the things that Eamon has alleged or insinuated in his "Ode to Reality" and who "hang in there" with Bp. Dolan and Fr. Cekada and give them "the benefit of the doubt," thinking them to be basically good men who are just "doing the wrong thing at times."
I am sorry to have to tell them that this is simply not true. There is enough real, proven evidence to the contrary -- without need of insinuation or conjecture. They are not unwittingly "misguided"; they know exactly what they are doing. To those folks at SGG who know better but who still keep fabricating excuses to defend or exonerate these men, I say again, "shame on you!" To the rest: wake up!! If you know that something is "rotten in Denmark," do something about it! Whether or not you think that what Eamon said or implied in his "Ode" was "appropriate," at least he took action; He did not sit on the sidelines in criminal silence, "aiding and abetting the enemy."
I have asked Eamon Shea to post this on the cathinfo.com website, since I am not a "cyber savvy" person. I hope that folks read this and are receptive to it. And if any of you has questions about what I've said (or what I wrote to Bp. Dolan), you can e-mail me at jimgebel@yahoo.com. I will be glad to share with you whatever information that I have.
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gladius_veritatis
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Mr Gebel did not, of course, write the above to console me, nor did I ask him to write anything at all. However, I confess that I received some consolation when I read his kind words.
Some probably think I am on some rampage of destruction, enjoying this whole thing as I go about it all. To the contrary, I will gladly be done with it. It has been anything but pleasant.
To be attacked by snakes is expected. To be shunned and called bad names by your friends, however, is harder than I could have imagined. I have gained NOTHING, and lost MUCH. So be it. God be praised.
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| Posted Aug 3, 2009, 9:39 am |
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Elizabeth
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Why obsess over G_V when there is Mr. Gebel, Robert Rawhide?
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Catherine
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| militant-cath said: |
You wrote after the Ode was written the following:
"Let me just say this: what Eamon implies in his "Ode" has been corroborated by many, many people. It's common knowledge in several circles. ... "
Mr. Gebel anyone who understands English can see that your friend Eamon implies in some fashion the criminal vice of sodomy as defined by St. Peter Damian in regards to Cekada and Dolan/SGG. See his multiple posts (if needed) on this as you are new on this site.
If not the vice of Sodomy in regards to Dolan and or Cekada/SGG.
What does he [Eamon] imply in his "Ode"? Please answer.
[size=3] "has been corroborated by many, many people. And is common knowledge in several circles."
(Letter from Gebel)
[size=3]"Since I wrote my letter, I have also found out more information -- from more than twenty former SGG parishioners so far -- about what has been going on there; and they all corroborate what I say (most of it, they do not have to corroborate; it's common knowledge). More importantly, many of them also corroborate Eamon's allegations.
I am sure that, by now, I am also considered a "pariah" by Dolan and Cekada, and by many of their obedient followers who blindly defend everything that those two say or do. Perhaps even you have heard of my 'defection' from SGG, and have even been "warned" not to believe anything that I say. I hope not. ...
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MR. JAMES GEBEL DID NOT MAKE ANY SUCH ALLEGATION OF SODOMY AGAINST BISHOP DOLAN OR FATHER CEKADA!
That is NOT AT ALL what he wrote about in his letter. Read the following:
Nov. 3rd, 2009|09:51 pm]
Hobson’s Deliberate "Chinese Whispers" Distorts Jim Gebel’s Complaint Against Dolan, Cekada, Etc.
Showing Hobson As A Pathological Liar and Fraudster With Zero Credibility
Today's Catholic World or TCW (http://www.todayscatholicworld.com) is the flagship website of a group of websites including ThePopeInRed.com & StGemma.com, run by a David Hobson acting as the agent for "Fr. Peter" Tran Van Khoat, "M.D."
Hobson is a habitual liar and forgerer, a serial stalker who has regularly harassed and intimidated people, and a cyber stalker to boot.
A few years ago, after Hobson attacked H.H. Pope Michael I etc., I had written articles against Hobson and his principal, Khoat, titled Hobsonmania, on Geocities.com, which website is now defunct (I am looking for a suitable website host to put up my webpages again).
It is for this reason that I regularly style Hobson as "The Hobgoblin."
About two years or so ago, Hobson had attacked my linking of images from his websites into my Hobsonmania page. In response, I substituted image snapshots ("thumbs") from Google.com's cache. That page remained online until October 2009 when Yahoo.com shut down Geocities.com.
Subsequently, Hobson has lodged a patently false and malicious complaint of "copyright violation" against my post on my blog over my use of his thumb linked in from Google.com's caches. This is an ongoing issue.
Recently, Hobson has begun new mischief by alleging that certain Traditionalist leaders, are sodomites, based on allegations allegedly based on the "exposes" of a Mr. James Gebel, who has fallen out with a certain sect (or sects, one Sedevacantist, the other Sedeprivationist) based in Middle U.S.A.
«The recent shakeup at St. Gertrude the Great's (SGG) "church" (the perverse scandal of Mr. Cekada and Mr. Dolan) in Ohio, in which more than 20 witnesses to date have given testimony - has brought many so called "sedevacantists" (a dark Error) to send inquiries regarding the papal restoration campaign and the status of the exiled Hierarchy [Holy
See].
«Note: in justice and to protect innocent children a "loyal (credible source) 'usher'", according to Mr. Daniel Dolan, who left (SGG) after he and others were beyond a shadow of a doubt, able to confirm the worst alleged accusations at (SGG). «
"... it (Dolan & Cekada being Sodomites) has been corroborated by many, many people. It's common knowledge in several circles" - Public Letter of Mr. James M. Gebel, Sr., Fall 2009.
«Daniel Dolan in (failed) damage control (about Mr. Gebel's flight from SGG) wrote: "...a long time and loyal usher, Jim Gebel. Jim had decided to leave us that day, due to doctrinal differences. We will miss him and his lovely enthusiastic wife, Olga. Goodbye, dear friends!" (St. Gertrude The Great's Official Website, April 19, 2009)
«Mr. Gebel has demanded a public retraction from Dolan for his calculated lie that his (Mr. Gebel's) departure was for "doctrinal differences". -TCW»
Today, I received a letter asking for confirmation of Hobson's allegations on TCW:
«On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, G.K. wrote:
«Dear Lucio,
«What is the credibility of TodaysCatholicWorld.com? The autumn issue has made highly derogatory remarks against Bishop Dolan and Fr. Cekada.
«Who is the editor?
«Regards,
«G.K. [Pseudonym]»
I had written to Mr. Gebel myself when I first was notified by Hobson (whom I do not communicate with) of these charges, and while Gebel has sent me a reply that takes these Traditionalist leaders to task, he did not allege Sodomism.
Many of Gebel's letters are online, and I could not find any mention of Sodomism. See e.g., http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=8175
After G.K. wrote me for information on this issue, I wrote Gebel for corroboration. This is what Gebel replied:
«Lucio, - No, I did NOT say any such thing; I don't know how Hobson is drawing such conclusions. Writing that kind of thing is dangerous; he'll kill his credibility if he continues to write such things. Thank you for letting me know. - Jim Gebel»
«On Mon, 11/2/09, Lucio Mascarenhas wrote:
«From: Lucio Mascarenhas
«Subject: Re: Alleged scandal at St. Gertrude the Great
«To: Jim Gebel
«Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:22 AM
«Dear Mr. Gebel,
«I have been notified that David Hobson of "Today's Catholic World" has stated publicly on his website that you have written in your letter that Dolan & Cekada are "sodomites." I cannot find that in your letter copy sent to me, or in online versions of your letter.
«I would like to hear from you on this issue. Have you alleged that Dolan, Cekada and or others are sodomites?
«Yours sincerely,
«Lucio Mascarenhas»
«On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Jim Gebel wrote:
«Lucio,
«I am a former of Gt. Gertrude the Great Church ("SGG") in Cincinnati, Ohio (actually a suburb called West Chester); and I am attaching a letter that I sent to their pastor, Bp. Daniel Dolan, after I left. In it, I explain why I left. Since then (or even concurrent with it), other allegations and "insinuations" have come out against them from others. But what I have said is in my letter.
«By the way, I was a member of SGG for twenty some odd years before I quit. If my name sounds familiar, that's because I have a son of the same name (James Gebel, Jr.) who is a neurologist. He is, in fact, the neurologist who who wrote a medical opinion on the "Terri Schiavo" affair, which was pretty much the opposite of that of Fr. Cekada (the assistant pastor at SGG). Cekada then wrote a response to him in which he challenged my son's medical expertise (among other things). Cekada's response was pretty condescending (and amateurish), and was completely refuted by an independent traditional Catholic website.
«Some of the "Schiavo" correspondence was included as an attachment to my letter, as was also a letter (written by Fr. Cekada back in 1990) which pretty much contradicts what his and Dolan's views are now. I can send those also if you want them.
«Bear in mind that some of the things that have "surfaced" since I sent my letter are of a more serious nature; but, since I don't have any "proof" of them, it is legally (and morally) prohibitive for me to state them publicly; therefore I won't.
«I hope all of this addresses your needs.
«Jim Gebel»
«On Wed, 8/5/09, Lucio Mascarenhas wrote:
«From: Lucio Mascarenhas
«Subject: Alleged scandal at St. Gertrude the Great
«To: Jim Gebel
«Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 12:29 PM
«Dear Mr. Gebel,
«I have seen email exchanges which speak of "unsavory" happenings at SGG, and I would like to know the exact nature of these allegations.
«I would like to point out that Sanborn, Dolan & Cekada, and others, were disciples or students of Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy at the SSPX seminary; Coomaraswamy while pretending to have converted from Hinduism to Catholicism, and who even obtained ordination as a priest, was exposed to have been an insincere convert, and to have continued to be a Hindu, and to propagate the false ideas of his father, Ananda Coomaraswamy, who had converted from Anglicanism to Hinduism, and who had founded the blasphemous sect of Perennialism.
«It would be impossible that Coomaraswamy had not imparted Perennialist ideas to his then students at the SSPX seminary, Clarence Kelly, Sanborn, Dolan, Cekada, etc.
«Regards,
«Lucio Mascarenhas»
I am not surprised at Gebel's revelation that HE DID NOT make any such allegation as directly attributed to him by Hobson. Hobson is a pathological liar and a professional criminal who is incapable of telling the truth without embellishing it, and converting anything into a lie.
Regards,
Lucio Mascarenhas
Seems it's David Hobson who alleges Dolan & Cekada are sodomites.
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Elizabeth
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Mr. Gebel has been very clear and concise in his letters.
I would suggest reading them a bit more carefully, and then one can see that Militant-Cath is mistaken.
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Catherine
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| Elizabeth said: | Mr. Gebel has been very clear and concise in his letters.
I would suggest reading them a bit more carefully, and then one can see that Militant-Cath is mistaken. |
Militant-Cath joined today and has already been banned.
I know Jim Gebel and he is an honest, intelligent and holy man, and you're right, Elizabeth as Mr. Gebel has been very clear and concise in his letters. His letters speak volumes!
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