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Most Holy Family Monastery TELLS PEOPLE TO SIN EXPOSED!!!!!!
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Pius IX said:
Nadie do you believe in BOD with explicit Faith and perfect charity?


Do you limit that description to only the BOD of the catechumen who is justified but dies before he can be baptized,?
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Right is right even if no one is doing it." - Saint Augustine

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holymystery said:
...the issue .... the mortal sin of taking sacraments from/with heretics that the Dimonds do.


Where do the Dimond's go to mass and to get the sacraments?

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So two quotes from the Archbishop means the entire SSPX is heretical? That doesn't make sense. I've never even seen this quote before and I've been studying the SSPX for a long time.

I highly doubt the archbishop believed it in the way you are proposing to his dying grave. He constantly spoke of the errors of the Vatican II council.

“No doubt, the graces of God are distributed outside the (visible) Catholic Church,
but those who are saved, even outside the (visible emphasis mine) Catholic Church, are saved by
the Catholic Church, by Our Lord Jesus Christ, even if they do not know
it, even if they are unaware of it…” (Sermon, Geneva, 1976).

Even St. Thomas Aquinas believed that, he used Aristotle all the time.

You need to quote contextually, which you have not done:

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, p. 216:

“Evidently, certain distinctions must be made. Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion. There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire. It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”[Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, Angelus Press, 1997, p. 216]

I believe Saint Augustine holds the same position, I would have to find the quote, it's been a long time.

Bishop Lefebvre, Address given at Rennes, France: “If men are saved in Protestantism, Buddhism or Islam, they are saved by the Catholic Church, by the grace of Our Lord, by the prayers of those in the Church, by the blood of Our Lord as individuals, perhaps through the practice of their religion, perhaps of what they understand in their religion, but not by their religion…” [Quoted in Bro. Robert Mary, Fr. Feeney and the Truth About Salvation, p. 213]

Saint Augustine made the distinction that, as long as an individual does not assent to the false doctrines of another religion, there can be a possibility of salvation, not by that religion, but in that religion as a group of people and the teachings which are in accord with the good and the will of God.

We have to be very careful about making blanket statements about what Abp Lefebvre was saying, you cannot look at what he says in a vacuum.

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