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| Nishant2011 said: | | SJB said: | | Why does this (bolded section) matter? |
Are you saying doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the teaching Church are a matter of indifference, SJB? Or that the last remaining vestiges of those with any divine mandate and authority to rule the Church of God can together teach by example and practice what is objectively false? |
I'm saying the things you attribute to me are your extrapolations, and I needn't defend them.
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It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil for thus we should speedily become unreal; but we must grow to something higher, and something truer, than a quickness in detecting evil. - Fr. Faber
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| Posted Jul 27, 2012, 11:28 pm |
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You call it an extrapolation, SJB, but it's an implication of your position. You know by Catholic faith that you need to believe in its continuation, but you reduce the teaching Church to an abstraction. Do you agree that the Church taught is at all times and everywhere to subject itself and obey the teaching Church?
From St.Pius X's Catechism,
| Quote: | The Church Teaching and the Church Taught
38 Q. Is there any distinction between the members of the Church?
A. There is a very notable distinction between the members of the Church; for there are some who rule and some who obey; some who teach and some who are taught.
43 Q. Of whom is the Teaching Church composed?
A. The Teaching Church is composed of all the Bishops, with the Roman Pontiff at their head, be they dispersed throughout the world or assembled together in Council.
45 Q. Who, then, are they who possess the teaching power in the Church?
A. The teaching power in the Church is possessed by the Pope and the Bishops, and, dependent on them, by the other sacred ministers.
46 Q. Are we obliged to hear the Teaching Church?
A. Yes, without doubt we are obliged under pain of eternal damnation to hear the Teaching Church; for Jesus Christ has said to the Pastors of His Church, in the persons of the Apostles: "He who hears you, hears Me, and he who despises you, despises Me."
49 Q. To whom does the exercise of this power belong?
A. The exercise of this power belongs solely to the Hierarchy, that is, to the Pope and to the Bishops subordinate to him. |
If you think your position has no implications in this regard, tell me how do you apply this today with reference to the few Bishops in the world today who still (according to you) possess legitimate offices in the Church and the divine authority to rule along with it? Is their teaching, example, belief and practice to be heard or rejected?
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"There will be an Ecumenical Council in the next century, after which there will be chaos in the Church. Tranquility will not return until the Pope succeeds in anchoring the boat of Peter between the twin pillars of Eucharistic Devotion and Devotion to Our Lady. This will come about one year before the end of the century." ~ St. John Bosco, "Twin Pillars prophecy", A.D. 1862.
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| Posted Jul 28, 2012, 1:35 pm |
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| Nishant said: | | You call it an extrapolation, SJB, but it's an implication of your position. You know by Catholic faith that you need to believe in its continuation, but you reduce the teaching Church to an abstraction. Do you agree that the Church taught is at all times and everywhere to subject itself and obey the teaching Church? |
I also need to hold and profess the Catholic Faith.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."
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It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil for thus we should speedily become unreal; but we must grow to something higher, and something truer, than a quickness in detecting evil. - Fr. Faber
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| Posted Jul 28, 2012, 5:22 pm |
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