littlerose
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It seems illustrative to me, so the dissonance depends on the story being told.
I would expect dissonance in a sacred piece about the Passion, for example, or one that depicted the attempt of Satan to tempt Jesus.
I think this piece is entirely compatible with contemplative or meditational prayer.
And I think you have to consider the question of art less generally. I am an artist and I encounter artists among traditionals quite often. Often, we are the first to find the N-O services repugnant and we can't explain it to non-artists, but the use of modern art to express Sacred truths works well, yet we have to protect ourselves from superstitious, artistically illiterate people among the novos as well as among the trads.
Trads almost never question the lifestyle of an artist and take the work quite naturally as a spiritual vocation, but Novos are always going for the sensational and public and can be downright scary when they find out you are an artist.
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Banned because she was practically begging for it. She was one of those ex-members that needed "closure".
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Raoul76
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A lot of that stuff on YouTube is illegally uploaded, be careful. I've downloaded many, many CDs in my time, but I'm trying to clean up my act.
I never liked Schnittke when I was into modern music. Like most Russian music it seemed to be an endless, whiny, hysterical and neurotic lament. My faves were Norgard and Stockhausen, who I now realize are occult and New Age. I was obsessed with Stockhausen but it's totally unthinkable to listen to him as a Catholic since he wrote those operas about Michael the Archangel fighting Lucifer which are full of corrupted Blavatsky-style theosophistries ( for instance, Michael is Jesus and also Hermes Trismegistus and so on ). Now if I tried to listen to it it would sound not only evil but dopey and cheesy.
As for Schnittke being Catholic, excuse me for being dubious. Sort of like Messiaen was a Catholic? Messaien's music actually captures the pantheistic, New Age-y, circus-like and evil sound of Modernism perfectly -- though not as perfectly as that of Tournemire.
A true Catholic, I would say, doesn't bother to reflect the chaos of society in his music. That is only to encourage chaos and to give it a soundtrack. He would work to make the world more Catholic. That is exactly why I walked away from being a filmmaker and yes, I expect the same decision from everyone else.
You'll notice that almost none of these artists that claim they are Catholic, like Messiaen, like Robert Bresson or the recently departed Eric Rohmer in film, ever said anything about Vatican II or what was going on in the Church. There was this grand silence about the most important event in Church history since the death of Christ. I'll give Mel Gibson credit that at least he puts his name out there as a traditional Catholic. It's better than nothing, and most of these "Catholic" artists are doing nothing and are most likely warlocks.
If people don't say what I am saying, that the "Pope" is a heretic and something is deeply wrong in the Church, if they aren't screaming their lungs out, their "Catholicism" ain't worth squat. These "Catholic artists" are crucifying the Church along with everyone else. The conspiracy of silence is one of the most sickening features of our era. Everyone is responsible to speak out. But if they did that they could kiss their careers goodbye.
Just as the fake Church has fake saints and fake miracles why shouldn't it have fake musicians? I then began to listen to only motets and Masses like Palestrina, De La Rue, Desprez and so on, but that was ruined for me because... I just feel too lousy to enjoy any of it knowing what's going on in the Church, listening to this Catholic music sung by heathens or heretics.
I'm a barrel of laughs, I know.
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Sometimes I worry that's why I'm a sedevacantist. I can't stand bad taste. Then again, neither could the real Catholic Church, which had the greatest musicians of all time, even if mostly forgotten, as well as timeless Gregorian chant. This horrible taste in art in the Novus Ordo goes together with the horrible false doctrine.
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A general rule is that all my posts before 2011 are dangerous to read. At the time I was nothing short of a frothing Pharisee. Please ignore my old posts against NFP and implicit faith, both of which are true teachings, as well as Fatima and Lucy's later revelations, which I now see are of continuing paramount importance in the history of the Church.
I also apologize for my lack of prudence when speaking about clergy in the past, I didn't know where the line was and often judged intentions instead of actions and words. My deepest apologies to Pius XII especially, who I judged in the harshest light and accused of being a communist infiltrator. This was not intentional slander but my true belief at the time. I still have problems with his pontificate, but no proof of any intentional malice. I even insulted the Church itself by questioning his Holy Week reforms, for which I am, again, bitterly sorry. I also spoke unforgivably about Pius XI, suggesting or saying outright that he was also an infiltrator who was in effect working towards Vatican II.
I also apologize with profoundest regret to Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. Fellay, the nuns who left CMRI, for assuming malign intentions about all or some of them, and for saying the nuns were witches; Father Cekada and the SSPX priest Fr. Boulet for suggesting or saying they were deliberately intellectually dishonest, Bp. Vezelis for spreading a rumor about him that is not verified; I also apologize to Fr. Martin Stepanich, Mgr. Fenton, Father Brian Harrison, Cardinal Newman, De Lugo, Suarez, Erasmus, and anyone else I have forgotten, for saying or suggesting they were heretics and/or infiltrators due to my former errors. I was also very harsh on Dietrich von Hildebrand and Cardinal Gibbons due to my beliefs at the time, however, in their case, there was reason for concern, I just would not call them heretics, perhaps some of their ideas would have the theological note of "ill-sounding." During all this time, I was under the influence of major scruples, probably without even knowing what that meant, and had a distorted, extreme view of the Crisis.
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| Posted Jan 15, 2010, 8:39 am |
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