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Two Sides of the Same Coin, Trads vs. Novus Ordos, False Peace
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HYPOCRITES.

Trads vs. Novus Ordos. The False Peace. Apostasy and Damnation.

Maurice Pinay Blog: Unofficial Itinerary for Papal Visit to "Israel"

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/03/unofficial-itinerary-for-papal-visit-to.html




From Michael Hoffman:

Friday, March 06, 2009

"Traditional" Catholics continue to cooperate with rabbinic agenda

http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/03/traditional-catholics-continue-to.html


Analyzing Fr. Schmidberger's "excellent statement"

by Michael Hoffman

The district superior of Bishop Richard Williamson's "SSPX" priest's order in Germany, Fr. Franz Schmidberger, has issued a statement to the German bishops as reported on March 6. He is the portion of his text that interests this writer:

"The bishops are bound by the eighth commandment, which reads: 'Thou shalt not give false testimony.' We therefore urge the Episcopal Conference to take back the defamatory accusation of anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish sentiments within the SSPX. In the Williamson affair, the SSPX Superiors have reacted immediately. The German District has stated immediately after the publication of the unspeakable statements clearly and unambiguously condemned any kind of trivialisation of Nazi crimes and apologised to those who were injured by the statements. We would again point out that the father of Archbishop Lefebvre lost his life in Sonnenburg Concentration Camp."
Source: http://cathcon.blogspot.com/2009/03/sspx-hits-out-at-german-bishops.html

First, we see the eighth commandment quoted; it should be applied to the SSPX, but not to false accusations against WW II-era Germans?

Next, Fr. Schmidberger of the SSPX disavows all "anti-Jewish sentiments." The Apostle Paul wrote, "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." (1 Thessalonians 2: 14-16).

If Fr. Schmidberger were to put into high German these words of St. Paul and then sign his name to them without reference to the Apostle Paul, these words would be considered by 99.99% of the judiciary and media of the West to be "anti-Jewish sentiments."

What sort of Traditional Catholicism is it that is cleansed of anti-rabbinic, anti-Talmudic "sentiment"? I myself have read Fr. Schmidberger's criticism of Jews in a public speech. Perhaps he does not remember?

Furthermore, Fr. Schmidberger refers to an individual, a certain "Williamson." It's a common enough surname and there are plenty of Williamsons about, but only one that I know of who was consecrated a bishop by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. Why does Fr. Schmidberger strip Bishop Williamson of his title in referring to him only as "Williamson"? Is this not openly contemptuous of a bishop of his own order?

Next we find Bishop Williamson's statements questioning the existence of execution gas chambers in Auschwitz decribed as "unspeakable." Why? What makes them unworthy of utterance? Fr. Schmidberger does not say. Bishop Williamson's doubts are said to be "trivializing" Nazi crimes.


My dictionary defines "trivialization" as reducing important events to minor, petty details. Is this what Bishop Williamson did when he said there were no execution gas chambers in Auschwitz? I don't think so. He didn't minimize the alleged homicidal gas chambers, he doubted their very existence in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Why would Fr. Schmidberger use this word, "trivialization" when it doesn't even apply to the case at hand? Could it be that he has picked up on a bossy buzz word that has been promulgated by the press and the Zionists, and parroted it in order to give his statement a tenor of modern relevance and a sense of solidarity with the various groups who have made this "trivialization" canard a part of their libel campaign against Bishop Williamson, and the SSPX itself?

In his last sentence, Fr. Schmidberger makes reference to the death of Archbishop Lefebvre's father in a Nazi concentration camp. What is that supposed to signify? Bishop Williamson did not deny the existence of Nazi concentration camps. Unfortunately, many noble Catholics died in them. I mention this datum in my book Judaism Discovered, and I have even included photographs of some of the victims. Many Catholics died in Nagasaki as well, in a criminal atomic bombing ordered by the President of the United States. Does this mean that because of Catholic deaths in Nagasaki, that Catholics are to forever support every unjust aspersion on the American people? If not, then in the case of Catholics and the Nazi concentration camps, because some died there, it is not thereby ipso facto incumbent on all Catholics to forever support every unjust aspersion on the German people.

Fr. Schmidberger's timid and disingenous remarks will manage to charm not a single rabbi or Zionist leader. The forces of the latter-day Pharisees have already gathered documentation from old SSPX publications, speeches and books that prove that both the Archbishop and his subordinates have in the past spoken freely about Judaism's evil, unlike the newly reconstructed Fr. Schmidberger who writes in ways that are calculated to flatter the enemies of Christ and His Church and ingratiate the SSPX with those forces. This Archbishop Lefebvre did not do, even when under great pressure.

The SSPX under Fr. Schmidberger and some (though not all) of the leadership of the SSPX continue to cooperate with the rabbinic Shoah theology, the heresy which replaces Christ with Auschwitz as the central ontological axis of the West. From this cooperation has arisen movies and books of widespread influence and popularity which deny the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and even His existence. These blasphemies occur without any of the systematic opposition with which doubts about Auschwitz gassing-deaths are confronted, resulting in these blasphemies becoming institutionalized, thereby persuading millions of souls that Jesus never existed and that even if He did, He faked His own resurrection.

The website of a traditional Catholic newspaper has described Fr. Schmidberger's statement as "excellent." Many other conservative Catholics undoubtedly agree that for expedience' sake the statement is a step forward in the integration of the SSPX into the Vatican's official church.

Everyone who trades the Kingship of Jesus Christ for the supposedly clever tactic of mollifying the Zionist and rabbinic opposition, is accursed, and will answer for it on the Day of Judgment.

If Jesus Christ is truly King, then our society, our culture and our world cannot allow the sufferings of Judaic persons -- both real and imagined -- in a slave labor camp in Poland, to surpass in centrality, focus and public awareness, the murder of God on Golgotha.


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Posted Mar 7, 2009, 3:11 am
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This was an excellent analysis by Mr. Hoffman. I am beginning to wonder what is the SSPX's response to such blasphemous statements (by BXVI and JPII before him)  that the Jews are our "elder brothers and sisters in the Faith". Undoubtedly, Benedict's visit to the Holy Land in May will be another exercise in apostasy. Will the SSPX stand up and unequivocally state that the Old Covenant is no more and the need for the Jews (i.e. really Talmudists) to convert to the Catholic Faith? That is really the crux of the matter. I pray for the priests of the Society and thank them for providing the True Mass and sacraments but I fear such statements as those of Fr. Schmidberger and the removal of website-documents signify the eventual capitulation of many within the Society.

On a related note, other statements in Fr. Schmidberger's response are strange as well.

For example:

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a. The desire of the Pope to translate correctly the falsely rendered words of consecration, was ignored by the German bishops previously ignored.


Surely, Fr. Schmidberger is aware that everywhere BXVI goes, he pronounces the dubious words "for you and for all". Case in point his recent trip to America and Australia. Why should the NO German episcopate listen to BXVI when he himself does not listen to his own words.

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c. The Good Friday prayers of the Pope were also erroneously described by some theologians in Germany as antisemitic.


This is also a canard when you understand that BXVI's new Good Friday prayers are really un-Catholic and from the point of view of their conversion truly  anti-semitic. See Fr. Peter Scott's analysis here.

I am sorry if this offends but I believe Fr. Schmidberger is being disingenuous here and its unfortunately a sign of whats ahead for SSPX attendees like myself.

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Posted Mar 8, 2009, 8:14 pm
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A very well written summary (by Bp. Sanborn) about the present situation with the SSPX can be found here.

Excerpt below:

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Logical Chickens Coming Home to Roost:
A Commentary on Recent Events in SSPX
by the Most Rev. Donald J. Sanborn

(1) Review of the positions of SSPX. Recognize and resist. Endless contradictions. Basic principle: WWLD — what would Lefebvre do? (2) Ratzinger (Benedict XVI). The ecumenist, desperate for a deal. (3) Bp. Fellay, the theological disaster. Fudging on religious liberty, adopting Frankechurch terminology, and discovering his Jewish "elder brothers." (4) Bp. Williamson, the star of the show. A diversion from the real problem. His views on Jews a "surprise"? Secularist hypocrisy on "free speech." (5) Outlook for SSPX. Predictions: Bp. Williamson will recant. Bp. Fellay will do the deal. SSPX will experience no significant exodus.

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