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I would like to point out my reply to an earlier thread to start a much needed conversation. This is the earlier thread: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Twentysomethings-second-childhood-good-or-bad
my reply:
Many are moving back in with their family because their are literally no "jobs" available for young men to support themselves. This is not a bad thing. In Catholic culture and countries, men lived with their extended families well into late adulthood. Kicking them out into the street when they are 18 is a miserable anti-catholic and protestant idea. With a 22 percent unemployment rate, I am surprised people on this forum do not realize this. The "golden" age of jobs is over and isn't coming back.
MAthew, I do not know what the point of posting this article was. I have many good friends that have had good jobs that are highly educated that are moving back home because their are literally no jobs to be had for them. They are not lazy or living a "Second" childhood. They do not want to live at home as it is embarrassing for them, but the only other option is the street. They look for a new job 9 hours a day everyday. I am glad I am not yet in their ranks, but with the teacher firings, I could be next year.
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| Posted Aug 25, 2010, 11:13 am |
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Elizabeth
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I agree with young adults living at home until they get themselves established. It's just too ugly out there, and there are too many anti family concepts taking root everywhere.
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| Posted Aug 25, 2010, 9:04 pm |
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Matthew
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Living at home because you can't find a job is one thing.
Living at home because you haven't grown up yet -- because you aren't truly mature yet -- "don't want to" take care of a house, work for a living, etc.
As far as "who does this apply to", I'd say the maxim of "if the shoe fits, wear it" applies.
If it applies to you, it applies. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Pretty simple.
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| Posted Aug 25, 2010, 9:21 pm |
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Matthew
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| Matto said: | I am one of those young men who live with their parents, though in my case I am pretty much unemployable, and not just unable to find a job. I sometimes fear what will happen to me when my parents are no longer able to take care of me. I also worry about those who cannot find jobs because I fear that many will be given the choice of either poverty or sinful work, and will choose the sinful work over poverty. I know that many of the jobs available are sinful for different reasons and that many companies have sinful policies that make it hard for good people to work there.
Also, I think it is a good thing for grown children to live with their parents until they marry. Those who move away waste tens of thousands of dollars on rent and often spend much of their time in debauchery. |
Poverty or sinful work?
Sounds like a false dilemma to me.
If you mean going out into the world to earn a living, then yes, you will probably have to do so. Do you think most traditional Catholic family men ENJOY going out into the pagan world to earn a living? I doubt it.
There are only a few jobs that a good Catholic can't do. Strip club employee, adult bookstore, psychologist (you're not allowed by law to condemn homosexuality), congressman, etc.
But the vast majority of work found in the Classifieds a Catholic could easily do and not lose his soul.
I'm lucky to be able to work at home. But I know that there are plenty of good men forced to take "Dilbert" type office cubicle jobs, or other types of work among pagans.
We are supposed to be the leaven, the good influence on those around us, to convert them by our example. Yes, going to work in the neo-pagan Modern World is going to involve some temptation. But it's not temptation you've CHOSEN, so it's not sinful, and God will give you the grace to avoid sin if you pray.
God understands that we need to support ourselves and/or our families -- in fact, he commands it as the primary way of getting to heaven! Doing one's Duty of State is just as important as keeping the Ten Commandments.
We must do God's Will. The Ten Commandments are just the Natural Law codified. God's Will can be mysterious at times, but other times it is anything but. If you're the father of a family, you can be 100% sure God wants you to work to support your family. If you're a wife, you are supposed to help your husband and be the primary caregiver for your children. If you're a religious, you must pray and work hard to grow in the spiritual life. And so on.
Anyhow, going to work is certainly one of the aspects under which we're not supposed to avoid the world. We're not supposed to embrace it, adopts its errors or become part of it -- we just have to live, mingle, and work in it.
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| Matthew said: | | There are only a few jobs that a good Catholic can't do. ...psychologist (you're not allowed by law to condemn homosexuality)... |
It's amazing that homosexuality was once correctly diagnosed as a mental illness. It's sad that such a lifestyle is now actually promoted positively in society. I remember looking at the cover of a magazine for Los Angeles, listed at the bottom were special topics, and one was "gay bars". This is the type of magazine where you read reviews of places and get the know-how of where to find the "good" locations.
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| Posted Aug 25, 2010, 10:55 pm |
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I'm not buying there are no jobs out there.
All of the 20 somethings I know without a job either don't want one, or have a degree and don't think they should have to start at the bottom.
You have to wonder are they living with their parents because they have to or because its easier.
My dad likes to say they wouldn't call it work if it were easy.
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| Posted Aug 25, 2010, 11:07 pm |
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| treadingwater said: | I'm not buying there are no jobs out there.
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There aren't many family supporting jobs.
| Quote: | | All of the 20 somethings I know without a job either don't want one, or have a degree and don't think they should have to start at the bottom. |
You mean stay at the bottom making burgers.
You have to wonder are they living with their parents because they have to or because its easier.
| Quote: | | My dad likes to say they wouldn't call it work if it were easy. |
Someone who's too proud and stingy to hire a midwife shouldn't complain about the unemployed. Your Dad came from a different time when it was a lot easier to get ahead.
Telling people they should spend the rest of their days unable to marry, making burgers or whatnot, is not Christian advice.
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