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Joseph Charles McKenzie of Albuquerque, NM - Author of Laypopes.com
Nick, a member that I banned on November 26, 2009, is VERY LIKELY to be Joseph Charles McKenzie himself. Judge for yourself:
Nick's IP: 71.228.103.136
Which resolves to:
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. ALBUQUERQUE-11 (NET-71-228-96-0-1)
71.228.96.0 - 71.228.127.255
I have Joseph McKenzie's e-mail address, since we've written to each other: cathinst@comcast.net. I also know that McKenzie settled in/near Albuquerque, NM. Note the Comcast.net in his e-mail address, and that his IP resolves to "Comcast Cable Communications".
No offense to McKenzie, but he is a decade and a half older than me. He's not exactly a 20 year old tech wizard. He probably doesn't know much about IP addresses and how to mask them, unless someone taught him. He isn't a programmer or tech type at all, though he's smart enough to learn just about anything.
But Nick came in the thread "Fr. Cekada's New Website" telling us all how we don't know anything about the poet, and that the true poet is "just waiting" in the wings to expose how wrong our speculation is (that the website was put up by Fr. Cekada). I suspected from the very beginning that Nick had something to do with the website. I'm glad I looked up his IP address.
Here is Nick's 2nd post:
| Quote: | Hey Elizabeth, hey Giacomo, hey Lighthouse, Umblehey, et al.! Why don't you tell the world who you are. Aren't you all using pseudonyms?
I agree with Elizabeth. None of us can say with even 1% certainty that it was Fr. Cekada. None of us can say with even 1% certainty that it was even a priest, a layman, or a postal worker.
How big is the world wide web? Are Americans the only people keeping up with the situation? You don't know if the poet is Australian, British, or an English-speaking poet from Quebec.
In fact, you don't even know the gender of the poetess.
Think of all the things you do not know about the poet!
If anyone has 100% certainty about the poet's identity, I sure would love to know how you arrived at it. And speculation, by the way, is not the basis of certainty.
The truth is you have no certainty. And the poet/poetess is waiting, just waiting, somewhere, somewhere in the background, to reveal one day, how very wrong your speculations are.
Are you even sure that the poem is not about you? Look carefully at the last few stanzas of the poem, and see if you do not recognize a perfect reflection of yourselves.
And that, mates, is why you are going to go to bed troubled, obsessed, and still dwelling on this poem.
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| Posted Dec 9, 2009, 3:36 pm |
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| St. Matthew 18:15-18 said: | 15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
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Here are the facts. I'm sticking to facts here, and you'll note that the tone of this post is very matter-of-fact. I have nothing against McKenzie, but I am sad to see him lending his skills to, and throwing his lot in with, such a wretched cause.
I knew McKenzie for over 3 years. We attended St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary together. He was in the year above me. I also kept in contact with him after we both left, to work on CathInst.com (I picked that domain name -- His choice was CatholicInstituteOfArtsAndLetters.com).
I've read through the material on Laypopes -- which I saved off, in case Google cache purges it -- and it sounds like something McKenzie would write. ESPECIALLY THE POEM. The Poem is very advanced and would take a good poet to write. McKenzie is the only one I know who could write a poem like that.
It would make sense that McKenzie wrote much of the Laypopes.com website.
Firstly, most people hesitate to accuse another of a fault that they themselves possess. But most of the complaints about Droleskey wouldn't apply to McKenzie; to wit:
* McKenzie is a polyglot. Besides English, he is fluent in French and knows Latin very well. He knows Italian to some degree, and I know he was studying Greek, so he may be familiar with that language as well. Note that Laypopes.com criticizes Droleskey for "possessing neither modern nor classical languages".
Even among the seminarians, he was on top. A couple of seminarians had a 2nd language, but only McKenzie needed 2 hands to count the languages he knew.
* Laypopes also faults Droleskey for not having training as a Theologian -- note that McKenzie did make it into the "Theology" portion (Years 4-5-6) of Seminary studies.
* Laypopes criticizes Droleskey for not having traveled outside the US. McKenzie has been to Europe (and Scotland) many times, so he would certainly qualify as "well traveled".
* McKenzie is certainly well educated. It's true that Droleskey has a PhD, but it's "only" in Political Science. I can see how someone with a classical education would look down upon someone with a modern "political science" degree.
Besides, it's quite possible that McKenzie has the better education and intelligence of the two (that's not an insult to Droleskey on either head. McKenzie is highly educated and intelligent!). So that's why Laypopes assails Droleskey's educational qualifications.
Furthermore, there are other clues that jump out at me:
* I wrote to McKenzie over 26 hours ago (12/8/09, 9:23 AM), asking him if he has anything to do with Laypopes.com, and have yet received no response. I also e-mailed him asking if he was Nick from CathInfo. I sent a third e-mail as well, asking if he could please respond to my first e-mails soon, as it was an important matter. His silence speaks volumes. Why wouldn't he deny it quickly, if he truly wasn't involved? If he only promoted laypopes but didn't write it, why not say "Oh no no no -- I didn't write it. I just passed on a forward from ___." But Droleskey AND myself have both received only silence in response to our inquiries. And my e-mail wasn't a grilling session -- it just had an honest question -- "Are you involved with Laypopes.com".
It's not like he doesn't have e-mail. I received an e-mail from him (cathinst@comcast.net) just a few weeks ago on the occasion of my birthday.
* McKenzie has attended soirees and hob-nobbed with the greatest modern poets of our day. He considers himself a genuine poet. Not that I disagree. I'm just saying it's significant in light of the fact that Laypopes makes the claim that the Ballad was written by a "genuine poet".
* Laypopes sounds like it's written by an American -- McKenzie talks like a pretty normal American, by the way -- yet it criticizes the vast majority of Americans (knowing only English, having an America-centric view of the world, lacking a true Classical education, lacking culture, etc.)
* Laypopes claims that the author belongs to "no American Church" -- he never said he was foreign. He seems to be carefully choosing his words, to avoid actual lying. At any rate, I don't know where McKenzie goes to Mass these days, but I do know that he became a Sedevacantist, and began detesting the SSPX. So not belonging to a church could be easily envisioned in McKenzie's case.
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How arrogant, as I am not a know-it-all with Faith and know only English, am I somehow less of a Catholic? (CM would say yes, but we all know that road..  some like to Lord knoweldge or the appearance of same)
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| Posted Dec 9, 2009, 3:49 pm |
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I promise to everyone here that I will update this thread if I hear from Joseph McKenzie.
As I pointed out, I have his correct e-mail address, and he sent me an e-mail just a few weeks ago. So I know it's current and that he has e-mail access. He got my e-mail.
I've also un-banned "Nick" so he can post here if he so desires.
If he doesn't respond?
Well, that will also say a lot, won't it.
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Dear Mr. Mckenzie & co. ,
You may not be the only Catholics to have hob-nobbed with well-known artists, poets, musicians and writers.
I really do not believe you had anything to do with the essay on the wonders of SGG School, or that you would cross a continent to enroll the crawlers there.
If it was your work, I hope you will forgive me for thinking you only said you'd send your children there because you know it is a logistical impossibility.
My personal opinion is that the sede vacantist theory is far too precious to some, particularly for some very proud men who would rather die than admit they have made a career out of being their own popes.
If you are the author of the Droleskey poem, I would ADORE it if you would compose apiece about the glories of sede vacantist culture.
In great haste,
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| Elizabeth said: | | the sede vacantist theory is far too precious to some, particularly for some very proud men who would rather die than admit they have made a career out of being their own popes. |
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A disturbing similarity just occurred to me....
This whole thing is starting to read like Windswept House with all the machinations and behind the scenes stuff as well as some of the "plot" itself.
Ack....
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| Quote: | | He doesn't want to lie about it, so he's just remaining silent. |
But technically he has already lied, or allowed somebody else to lie for him. Before the website was locked up completely and you could still click in via the backdoor (Google + cached pages), the author(s) of the website put up a statement that McKenzie was NOT involved in the least.
It's why I wonder if it is somebody else who thought they could get away with doing a poison pen (poison...keyboard?) website about people.
The 'poem' could have been something that McKenzie wrote. The idea of the page could have emerged from ranting (and the author sounds like a ranty soandso) convos w/McKenzie. Then McKenzie might be holding his tongue to avoid outing the other person.
But I'm sure I could be overthinking this and it is just McKenzie and his wife (he has a wife, right?) doing this.
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| Posted Dec 9, 2009, 7:06 pm |
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All very possible, Tedeum.
And that is why I'm willing to correct myself -- including via the "edit" button -- as soon as Joseph McKenzie condescends to answer my e-mail.
If anyone wonders why I started this thread:
| St. Matthew 18:15-18 said: | 15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
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You can listen to Bp. Dolan's introduction to the talk given at SGG by Joseph Charles McKenzie at TraditionalCatholic Sermons:
http://www.traditionalcatholicsermons.org/index_files/MiscItems.htm
| Traditional Catholic Sermons said: | Excellent Talk Given [at SGG] By Joseph Charles McKenzie on Rosary Sunday, Oct. 05, 2008, Click here for Murillo’s Picture.
Murillo’s Madonna And Child With A Rosary (27 Minutes) |
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| laypopes website headline said: |
CATASTROPHE FALLS ON WINGATE HATE-CHURCH
New Facts Bring Truth to Light |
| Fr. Cekada's 12-10-09 blog email headline said: |
Fr. Cekada blogs again on recent events in our church:
Wingate Group Hate |
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| Belloc said: | | How arrogant, as I am not a know-it-all with Faith and know only English, am I somehow less of a Catholic? (CM would say yes, but we all know that road.. some like to Lord knoweldge or the appearance of same) |
That's not very fair Belloc. You are being presumptuous and arrogant. Of my Catholic friends, ALL of them speak only English, 3 are over 70, and though quite intelligent, can barely remember the conversation we had two days ago, let alone have they been highly educated, and I myself am a high school drop out.
I'll throw in and say it sounds like ChantCD has hit the nail on the head.
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BREAKING NEWS (for this thread)
Posted on CathInst.com -- McKenzie's website for "The Catholic Institute of Arts and Letters":
The Victory of Laypopes.com
Laypopes.com has accomplished three objectives. First, we have confirmed the Children of God in their decision to cling tightly to their Holy Mother, the Church, by causing the persecutors of the Mystical Body to reveal themselves as the spiritual corpses they truly are, interred in the polluted common grave of the Internet, the white-washed sepulcher of sanctimony.
Second, laypopes.com has exposed, for the comprehension of the world, the abysmal depths of depravity to which Markus Ramolla, hiding behind his agent Droleskey, has descended in prosecuting a failed war on the good faithful of a Church he had once tried so furiously and imprudently to destroy. He has used every means available to the mind of treachery: criminal defamation of young adults, even children; libel and calumny against bishops and priests whose very dignity heaps loads of mortal gravity upon the soul of the sinner; and now, illegal attempts at cyber harassment, threats, and extortion against individuals through emails, all in a desperate attempt to turn attention away from the pathetic waste his priesthood has become in the eyes of all but his bitter, if not lunatic minions.
Third, with exquisite legal care, laypopes.com has offered satire based on public figures alone; posted opinions on those persons alone whose affairs Droleskey has recklessly exposed to the public forum, with only themselves to blame for consequences which never would have fallen under the gentle care of the very clergy they condemn. For, who is not to be exploited as an expendable pawn in Ramolla’s game of vengeance, a game in which his few remaining myrmidons of hate cover only themselves in the filth of his opprobrium.
Shame upon Ramolla and his puppet Droleskey for the perdition of souls!
Victorious through Christ and His glorious Mother, laypopes.com has won the war. The joy of satire consists in beholding the sad spectacle of the small and petty inflating themselves to the level of the poet’s words. In this Ramolla and Droleskey have played their role, the pitiful role of losers, only too well, to the laughter and ridicule of almost two thousand unique visitors to our site in the few weeks of our posting. Against our charge of defamation, they were all the more defamatory; against our charge of libel, they were all the more libelous; against our charge of servitude to spite, they showed themselves all the more servile, unable to live one minute upon the earth without running to our site like addicts to their heroine. Worse, they made their unfortunate confirmations of our every opinion—down to the last—a matter of public record.
Yea, laypopes.com had merely to mention one of their personal attributes to watch them subsequently writhe and scream in painful hysteria like the maniacal harpies they are—even to the point of determining their predictable behavior.
And now, at the end of our Virgilian tour of the cyber hell from which no escape lies open to them, a hell as closed as the chat-room doors enclosing their sad hours and minutes as they sit transfixed by the words of other men seeking like them the cheap thrill of acknowledgment in a lonely life of isolation, we say farewell.
But not before listing one last attribute, the truth of which they themselves, as always, shall demonstrate in their blasphemous disregard for the holy season in which men of good will contemplate the great mystery of the Incarnation, while these former cannot stop themselves from spewing venom even before the crib of Christ. And that attribute, dear friends, is summed up in the word unchristian. Our proof? They themselves shall furnish it now and throughout the waning days of what we hesitate to call their “lives.” Behold, as they return again and again to their vomit.
We wish our myriad readers and supporters the holiest and happiest season of Advent spent in the contemplation of our Lord’s great coming in the flesh, in the spirit, and, ultimately, in judgment.
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| ChantCd said: | Posted on CathInst.com -- McKenzie's website for "The Catholic Institute of Arts and Letters":
The Victory of Laypopes.com
Laypopes.com has accomplished three objectives. First, we have confirmed the Children of God in their decision to cling tightly to their Holy Mother, the Church, by causing the persecutors of the Mystical Body to reveal themselves as the spiritual corpses they truly are, interred in the polluted common grave of the Internet, the white-washed sepulcher of sanctimony.
Second, laypopes.com has exposed, for the comprehension of the world, the abysmal depths of depravity to which Markus Ramolla, hiding behind his agent Droleskey, has descended in prosecuting a failed war on the good faithful of a Church he had once tried so furiously and imprudently to destroy. |
He is clearly not referring to THE Church Universal, but their church, St. Gertrude's. But they always refer to themselves as Church.
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