Dear Matthew,

I want to make a suggestion. I believe there are many reasons this sub-forum on Feeneyism should be closed and thought I would share some of my reasons. Here they are:

•   This being a traditional Catholic forum, it should be noted that the majority of traditional clergy today, as a general rule, reject Feeneyism. This includes SSPX, the Resistance, sedevacantists etc. And as you know, many traditional clergy have expelled the Feeneyites from their parishes and refused them the Sacraments.

Yes the majority of trad priests reject "Feeneyism" teachings, just as 98% of Catholics reject most basic dogmas.  So what?  The truth is the truth.

•   The reason they are rejected is because they oppose 20 centuries of continuous teaching from the Church (ordinary magisterium) on the doctrine of baptism desire and blood, and even when Rome published the final word on the matter in the letter of the Holy Office (which made the subject no longer up for debate), they rejected that as well.

We reject Cushingism because it goes against the thrice infallibly defined dogma.  Just as we reject the errors from the current prelates, we strive for the truth, because salvation is the most important topic in the universe

•   The letter of the Holy Office was published in multiple Catholic books in 1952/1953 at the request of the Sacred Congregation, including books dedicated to Canon Law, which shows the Church understood the published letter was binding on Catholics. They certainly didn't publish the letter so that it would be optional for Catholics. And as Pope Pius XII states in Humani Generis, "...if the Supreme Pontiffs in their acts, after due consideration, express an opinion on a hitherto controversial matter, it is clear to all that this matter, according to the mind and will of the same Pontiffs, cannot any longer be considered a question of free discussion among the theologians." Pope Pius XII was stating this to confirm that such a decision does not need to be solemnly declared for it to be binding on Catholics.

Wow published in 1952/3 ....so 3 years later after the only signee died!  Your a joke.  It was published in many books..none of them infallible, and some books with imprimaturs still rejected it! (see the Catholic Handbook 1956 ed).  Pope pius XII defended Fr Feeney very subtly in Humani - “are reducing to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to obtain salvation.”

•   This is the only traditional Catholic forum (to my knowledge) that allows the Feeneyites to continue discussing the subject. This only makes them feel they have a legitimate movement, which they do not.

It is a legitimate movement, it is called Catholicism.  And matthew allows it because he believes "feeneyites" are still Catholic and there is room for discussion.

•   The Feeneyites would like others to think their movement is large, but you will notice it is the same dozen or so people in this sub-forum who continually hash the subject over and over. Known Feeneyite clergy in the traditional realm are almost nonexistent as well. In actuality, this movement is extremely small and has almost completely dried up because people are finally seeing it is nothing but rebellion against the Church.

On a forum with about 50 regular posters, (100 irregular, and countless watchers), a large proportion are "feeneyites" that is because a large proportion of trad Catholics support the Dogma.  There are a few "feeneyite" clergy, again what is your point.  Yes the trad movement is also very small...so I guess we should all join the Novus Ordo!

•   We have had many, many discussions on here and elsewhere, and the Feeneyites are continually left speechless when pressed on the issues, only to appear in other threads using the same disproven arguments. What is most dangerous about their movement is that most of them claim baptism of desire is heresy, which automatically incriminates popes such as Pius XII and St. Pius X and others, who openly approved of the doctrine. In our recent discussion on "Analysis of the Letter of the Holy Office", several people were plainly incriminating Pope Pius XII as a heretic. When pressed on the issue, the typical response is, "I never called him a heretic", when it's obvious to everyone watching that's exactly what they meant. I suggest you review that discussion so you can see for yourself. This has been going on for many years, so there is no doubt about it.

Speechles..when?  Your calumny is relentless at least.  You are the one who never answers questions, you post and run away...coward.  Almost none of us say it is heresy, heretical maybe, error definitely.  We believe that saying non-catholics like Jєωs or protestants can go to heaven is heresy, as it is without any doubt (see catholicsm.org - saints on EENS).  NOT ONE PERSON SAID HE WAS A HERETIC!  Or even alluded to it.  You are again lying...lying is a sin.  We definitively show POSITIVE DOUBT to its authenticity.  

•   The bottom line here is that, first of all, this sub-forum on Feeneyism is completely useless. It's now well over 60 years since Father Feeney was excommunicated, and today's Feeneyites have no new supporting evidence for their rebellion - they just keep beating the same dead horse over and over, and they are hostile to anyone that questions them. This sub-forum is also a danger to the faith of Catholics because the continual public questioning and denying of the doctrine always leaves the reader back to the same conclusion at a minimum; that Pope Pius XII was no good for either approving or condoning the publishing of the letter of the Holy Office. When the integrity of Pope Pius XII, Pope St. Pius X, other popes, Doctors of the Church, and trusted Church references are continually questioned and bashed, it is not a Catholic forum any longer and should be shut down. Former members should also be asked to no longer discuss the subject, since any final decisions from the Church are no longer up for debate.

You are completely useless, not the sub-forum.  Fr Feeney was never justly excommunicated (see Catholicism.org- Fr Feeney QA), and he was reconciled with the church while never changing his views.  No new evidence?  We are constantly finding new quotes, such as the Letter from Pope Saint Siricius, and constantly showing how philosophically BoD and Invincible ignorance are modernist fallacies.  Many popes made errors...thats why we are no sedevacantist (I presume you are).  Final decision? Where...even the modernist Benedict XVI said that feeneyites we're Catholics, and he himself questioned BoD last year!

I believe your pastor would agree with what I have just said, and I would suggest running this past him if needed.

False Humility and prudence covering up a troll.

Thanks for your time

A fraud is a person who, because of his own fears, ignorance, and ambitions tries to deceive non-Catholic Americans on the subject of their eternal salvation, telling them or letting them think that he has told them, that the Church does not teach, at least not any more, that it is necessary for them to become Catholics to save their souls, but that they need only to follow faithfully the precepts of their own religions. The frauds want to destroy the impression of the Church as the single, clear, unequivocal way to salvation and to substitute for it the impression of a good-natured, democratic, successful organization, a beneficent influence on community morals, a strong bulwark against Communism, something staid, harmless, and acceptable, something that would never be so presumptuous as to set itself above other religions or to claim for itself exclusive custodianship of the gate of Heaven.

Although all frauds have the same general intention, there are as many different varieties of them as there are different excuses for being ashamed of the Faith in the presence of non-Catholics. For example, there is the pious fraud, the archetype of them all, who boasts of his daily attendance at Mass, but who is equally anxious to tell you that those who do not have, or do not want, this Mass, can please God just as much in other ways; there is the intellectual fraud, who has a difficulty about the ignorant native that just has to be solved before he can see his way clear to evangelize the Protestant next door; there is the sociological fraud, who perceives that his first duty to non-Catholics is to give them a higher standard of living, and not the Body and Blood of Our Lord; and there is the patriotic fraud, to whom the Bill of Rights and the Apostles’ Creed are all one thing and who tries to make it appear that God, like America, regards neither race, color, nor creed.

I must say something in his defense, he does keep us sharp.

I should add that I think I may have misspoke when I said there were a dozen people left in the Feeneyite movement. Looking at the ratings on this message, it looks like the true number is closer to about 8.

You can also spot those holding a false position very easily when the down-thumb is their only defense....you'll notice people are not arguing with the points that I made.

Enough said.

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I must say something in his defense, he does keep us sharp.

Not really.  He's a theological lightweight who uses nothing but bully tactics to promote his position.  Really the only worthy adversary on this issue here on CI has been Nishant.