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Offline OurFatherRN1

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Are we on the final Pope?
« on: February 07, 2017, 10:28:04 AM »
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  • Are we on the final Pope of the prophecy of St. Malachy?


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    « Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 10:34:41 AM »
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  • Well, that would depend on whether that list took into account a NO Pope.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 12:42:31 PM »
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  • Does the prophecy of St. Malachy have authority?

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    « Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 12:51:06 PM »
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  • No, we aren't on the final pope.  I've heard the explanation that St Malachy's list applies to the current "age" of the Church, not til the end of time.  Yes, he mentions Peter II and the anti-christ, but there is a separator/space between this thought and the previous list.  

    Taking into account the "ages" as described by Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser, and since we appear to be nearing the end of the 5th age, the above makes sense.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 04:53:30 PM »
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  • Where in tradition is mentioned the prophecy of St. Malachy ending in an age of the Church not the final age?


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    « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2017, 04:54:51 PM »
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  • "Where in Tradition?"  What do you mean?

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    « Reply #6 on: February 07, 2017, 04:58:42 PM »
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  • Is there a source to cite for the interpretation in this way?  

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    « Reply #7 on: February 07, 2017, 06:17:32 PM »
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    Are we on the final Pope of the prophecy of St. Malachy?


    Yes.

    That is the short answer.



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    « Reply #8 on: February 07, 2017, 07:49:51 PM »
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    Is there a source to cite for the interpretation in this way?

    There's no right or wrong way to interpret St Malachy's list...it's a private revelation.  It may or may not be accurate.  The interpretation I'm referring to came from a website I saw before Pope Benedict was elected.  Basically, the guy said that if you examine the original text, it's written in such a way that there's a break between the 'gloria olivae' pope (i.e. the current one) and 'Peter II'.  Also, St Malachy uses a phrase similar to:  "the end of the age".  He never says "end of time".  I don't presume to say this is accurate, but it makes sense.  We still have the great holy pope and the catholic monarch to look forward to.  We can't be on the last pope.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 07, 2017, 10:21:47 PM »
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  • If you fold the prophecies up 7 Popes, starting with the 72nd Pope on the list, Gregory XIII, whose motto is actually a reference to Medici Pope Pius IV who made him cardinal, and give him the 65th Papal "Motto" which is a reference to another Medici Pope, Clement VII, I think it matches up better overall with the rest of the Popes on the list. They're so obscure that it wasn't before Pope Leo XIII's motto that people really started to take notice again. I've posted my "adjusted" list before, but to make a long story short, we would currently be at "Religion Destroyed" with the "Angelic Shepherd" up next.

    At least there's a little more room to breathe and space for an "Era of Peace" before the very end. But as it is, it's a broken "prophecy" that I wouldn't attach much importance to.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 08, 2017, 02:48:09 PM »
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  • Croixalist,
    I looked up your old post and I admire your work; it was very interesting.  I agree, many are so obscure it's hard to say what's going on.

    It does make sense that 'religion destroyed' is the current one, with a good pope next.  Many other prophecies point towards some sort of 'hope' for catholicism coming soon (i.e. holy pope + catholic monarch).


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    « Reply #11 on: February 08, 2017, 04:33:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pax Vobis
    Croixalist,
    I looked up your old post and I admire your work; it was very interesting.  I agree, many are so obscure it's hard to say what's going on.

    It does make sense that 'religion destroyed' is the current one, with a good pope next.  Many other prophecies point towards some sort of 'hope' for catholicism coming soon (i.e. holy pope + catholic monarch).


    Thanks Pax. One things for sure: Francis ain't no Peter Romanus!
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    « Reply #12 on: February 08, 2017, 05:38:21 PM »
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  • This prophecy could be stretched to one more Pope if Francis
    passes away before Benedict XVI.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 08, 2017, 07:27:05 PM »
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  • This guy who believes he is pope is not, See the following article:

    He falsely teaches that anyone converts a non catholic to the
    Catholic Church is guilty of mortal sin.
    What is the use of the missions and missionaries.

    Antipope Francis teaches that any attempt to convert “a Christian” to Catholicism is a mortal sin

    Francis’ November 17, 2016 interview with the newspaper Avvenire:

    Question: “Why was it so important to commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Lutheran Reformation in Sweden? Was it a big step forward?”

    Francis: “The meeting with the Lutheran Church in Lund was a further step in the ecuмenical journey that began 50 years ago with the Lutheran-Catholic theological dialogue, culminating in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification signed in 1999…”

    Question: “You also said to Patriarch Kirill of Moscow that ‘unity is achieved by walking forward’, that ‘unity will not come about as a miracle in the end; walking together is already unity’. You repeat this often. But what does this mean?”

    Francis: “… unity is a grace that one must ask for, and it’s also why I say that every form of proselytism among Christians is sinful. The Church never grows through proselytism… Proselytism among Christians itself is therefore a serious sin for Christians.”

    Question: “Why?”

    Francis: “Because it contradicts the very dynamic by which we become and remain Christians. The Church is not a soccer team in search of fans”

    Question: “What means, therefore, are to be used in the quest for unity?”

    Francis: “Fully engaging in the process rather than just taking up space is also key in the ecuмenical journey.  At this moment in history, unity must be pursued in three ways: by performing works of charity together, by praying together, and by acknowledging the common confession as expressed in the common martyrion (witness) received in the name of Christ: in the ecuмenism of blood. It is there that the Evil One makes no mistake in this. And these are all expressions of visible unity. Praying together is something visible. Performing works of charity together is something visible. Sharing martyrdom in the name of Christ is something visible.”[1]

    Comment: Francis says that any form of attempting to convert a non-Catholic who claims to be Christian to the Catholic faith is sinful.  Francis declares that anyone who attempts to convert those non-Catholics to the Catholic faith commits “a serious sin” (a mortal sin)!  Francis also once again encourages the mortally sinful activity of praying with non-Catholics.  Francis also promotes the non-Catholic “martyrs” heresy (which he teaches all the time).  He says the “martyrdom” of heretics manifests the “visible unity” of the Church.  Francis believes the “visible Church” includes non-Catholic sects that claim to be Christian.  That is heresy.  The visible Church is only manifest in the Catholic Church and the true Catholic faithful.

    Francis’ November 10, 2016 discourse on “Christian unity” to “the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity”:

    “… unity is not uniformity… unity is not absorption. Christian unity does not imply an ecuмenism ‘in reverse’, by which some might deny their own history of faith; nor does it tolerate proselytism, which is, rather, a poison for the journey of ecuмenism.”[2]

    Unity is uniformity.  Unity means oneness.  Francis then says that unity is not attempting to convert non-Catholics to the Catholic faith.  Francis declares that non-Catholics should not deny their “history of faith”.  He ends his heretical discourse by asserting that the effort to convert non-Catholics to the Catholic faith is a “poison”.





    Notes:

    [1] L’ Osservatore Romano, December 2, 2016, pp. 6-7.

    [2] L’ Osservatore Romano, November 18, 2016, pp. 3-4.





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    « Reply #14 on: February 09, 2017, 03:20:20 AM »
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  • Good factual theological reasoning RomanCatholic1953.

    We are 100% currently not under the last Holy Father according to the holy St Malachy's heavenly prophecy.  
    "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." -Our Lady of Fatima, to Jacinta Marto