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50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
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cassini said:
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So, which direction did Jesus rise?  The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth. 


So here we bring in the theology of Christ's ascention and heaven to support a flat earth. It restricts God to a flat-earth theology and heaven to a place that has to be above the earth.

A global earth has heaven outside the physical universe, This gives heaven an infinite demention far more fitting to an Omnipotent Maker.

As for theology and tradition, where is there a flat earth in Catholic tradition developed throughout the ages? The sacrted doctrine of geocentrism has always been global. Andrew White tells us:

'Having thus come from antiquity into the Christian world, St Clement of Alexandria demonstrated that the altar in the Jewish Tabernacle was “a symbol of the earth placed in the middle of the universe:” nothing more was needed; the geocentric theory was fully adopted by the Church and universally held to agree with the letter and spirit of Scripture.'

'Three great men mainly reared this structure. First was the unknown who gave to the world the treatises ascribed to Dionysius the Areopagite. It was unhesitatingly believed that these were the work of St Paul’s Athenian convert, and therefore virtually of St Paul himself.'

‘The next of these three great theologians was Peter Lombard, Professor at the University of Paris. About the middle of the twelfth century he gave forth his collection of Sentences, or statements by the Fathers, and this remained until the end of the Middle Ages the universal manual of theology.'

‘The great triad of thinkers culminated in St Thomas Aquinas – the sainted theologian, the glory of the mediaeval Church, the ‘Angelic Doctor,’ the most marvellous intellect; he to whom it was believed that an image of the crucified had spoken words praising his writings. '

‘Thus was the vast system developed by these three leaders of mediaeval thought; and now came the man who wrought it yet more deeply into European belief, the poet divinely inspired who made the system part of the world’s life. Pictured by Dante [in The Divine Comedy], the empyrean and the concentric heavens, paradise, purgatory, and hell, were seen by all;

‘Let us look into this vast creation – the highest achievement of theology – somewhat more closely. Its first feature shows a development out of earlier theological ideas. The earth is no longer a flat plain enclosed by four walls and solidly vaulted above, as theologians of previous centuries had believed it [sic], under the inspiration of Cosmas [Indicopleustes]; it is no longer a mere flat disk, with sun, moon, and stars hung up to give it light, as the earlier cathedral sculptors had figured it; it has become a globe at the centre of the universe.'

Then of course was the global geocentrism of St Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) in his 1614 book De Ascensione Mentis in Deum - The Mind’s Ascent to God by the Ladder of Created Things'

Finally an interesting revelation of a global earth: It comes from the private revelations from heaven to Sister Mary of Jesus, better known as Mary of Agreda (1602-1665). The following insights, dictated to her, she said, by the Virgin Mary herself in 1637. Her three volume work is entitled; ‘The Mystical City of God’ or ‘The Divine History and Life of the Virgin Mother of God.’ These revelations to Sister Mary, whose body lies incorrupt in the Agreda Franciscan Monastery in Spain, have received approbations from many popes throughout history as a mode of greater understanding of the Catholic faith completely in line with traditional Church teaching. 

QUOTE: '…. God created the earth co-jointly with the heavens in order to call into existence hell in its centre; for, at the instant of its creation, there were left in the interior of that globe, spacious and wide cavities, suitable for hell, purgatory and limbo. And in hell was created at the same time material fire and other requisites, which now serve for the punishment of the damned.'



Global geocentrism simply doesn't work.  Where is the firmament on this so-called globe?  When God created the heavens and the earth, he divided the water, some above, some below with the firmament in between, as scripture so eloquently describes in Gen 1:6,7.  It is later referred to as a vault, or dome.  How can there be a dome over a globe?  A vault over a ball?  Where is the water above the firmament in this globe model?  Mixed in with the vacuum of space?  If the sun is indeed inside such a dome structure as scripture describes, then the dome is at least 100 million miles away in order to accommodate the distant sun?  Globe earth is a constant contradiction. 
Lets look at how often this is the case:

Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.
Heliocentrism and its sister theory, Globe Geocentrism have many things in common, but the one glaring fact is that  they both embody imprecision, relativity, pretense and illusion.  The science pew sitters are grumbling right now saying,  “No! Our science is more precise!”
On a flat geocentric earth, level means level.  It doesn’t mean curve that appears level but is not.  Nor can measurements that seem level in relation to distance from the center of earth be called level yet actually curve.  By definition, and in God’s world, level is level and a curve is a curve. Anything else is from evil.

Geocentric/Heliocentric Globe                                    Flat Earth Geocentric Earth
Level can mean curve, depending                                  Level is level 
Curve can mean level, depending                                  Curve is curve

Up is out toward space in every direction…
          while actually down for some                                  Up is up
Down is down to the center of ball earth at an angle…
          while actually up for some                                Down is down
          To rise is to go out in any direction toward space
        …but could also mean to descend, depending        To rise is to rise
Directions are always relative                                        Can be specific
The Horizon is not horizontal but curves                      The Horizon IS horizontal
Vertical is often at an angle to horizontal          Vertical is up, right angle to horizontal
Above is relative, depending                          Above is always above
Below is relative, depending                            Below is always below
Enables imprecise, circular reasoning                        Prevents dishonesty
Yes and no and is… are not absolute                              Yes is yes, no is no, and is is is.





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Croix de Fer said:
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Look at you, FlatTard, demanding answers to questions after you never answered my questions, instead you posted links to frauds (pilots / submarine operators) filling a niche of the sensational to sell books and speeches.

Let us look up one of the synonyms to the word "circle". One synonym is "GLOBE", but nowhere is the word "flat" to be found.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/circle

You and the other FlatTards ignore the following that I stated because it exposes the fallacy of your positions:

Regarding Our Lady's warning about earthquakes to come, she say's "the EARTH's GLOBE will have convulsions and earthquakes." It makes absolutely no sense for FlatTards to refer to the sky (which is a "globe" according to them) as having earthquakes when, according to their "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively.

In other words, these FlatTards are saying there will be earthquakes in the sky according to Our Lady. This is preposterous.

Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".






He clearly does not understand the difference between a dictionary and a thesaurus and is having a really hard time with the definition of the word circle and compass.


So why does the thesaurus have "globe" as a synonym of "circle", but the word "flat" isn't mentioned? Is it because when a person looks at a circle, it appears round, just like the earth is round? Maybe this is what the Bible writers were conveying?  :scratchchin:

The word "flat" is a very simple word and concept to describe an object. Surely, the word existed in the Hebrew and Koine Greek language, so why didn't the Bible writers use it to describe the shape of the earth? 



mw2016 said:
I'm sorry God's Word is so disappointing to you, Croix.


So you're really saying you're happy that Satan's lies made you addicted to the sensational?  :shocked:



mw2016 said:
And what is this earthquake in the sky nonsense you keep babbling on about? No FE'er has said such a thing. You really need help.


According to FlatTardology, the message by Our Lady of La Salette states that the sky will have earthquakes, which is premised on your belief that the only (half) globe is the sky above the "flat" earth. Did you go to the Bozo School of Science or Theology?  :clown:


Never once did Our Lady say the earth's globe will have convulsions.  She talks only about the earth convulsing. More inaccuracies on top of more inaccuracies.

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cassini said:
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So, which direction did Jesus rise?  The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth. 


So here we bring in the theology of Christ's ascention and heaven to support a flat earth. It restricts God to a flat-earth theology and heaven to a place that has to be above the earth.


Heaven is, de fide, above the earth and hell is below it. That is binding under pain of mortal sin. Heaven is not "out" in all directions at 360 degrees. Get it right.




No I don't 'get it' mw2016, Could you show us the de fide dogma that tells us heaven is above the earth and hell below, a dogma binding under pain of mortal sin.

Next you will tell us we have to believe in a flat-earth heaven.




Scripture says heaven is above.
Gen 1. 6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1.7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.

Scripture continues to describe heaven above the firmament and earth below that.

And everyone knows Christ DESCENDED into hell. 



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