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Offline jman123

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Russians hacked elections?
« on: December 11, 2016, 01:52:32 PM »
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  • Do you think that Russia interfered in our elections as the media says? What do you think of this issue?


    Offline TKGS

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    « Reply #1 on: December 11, 2016, 02:03:29 PM »
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  • No.  The news from Russia was more reliable than the news from the U.S. media.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 11, 2016, 03:44:54 PM »
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  • Russia didn't hack the elections - no one wanted that criminal dyke bitch Hillary Clinton to be president!
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    Russians hacked elections?
    « Reply #3 on: December 11, 2016, 05:20:17 PM »
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  • I read on the news where the DHS a governmental agency tried to hack into
    the Georgia voting data base on election day.
    No way did Russia interfered with our election process. The voting machines
    are not connected to the internet.
    The mass media is the real fake news.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #4 on: December 11, 2016, 07:33:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

    No way did Russia interfere with our election process.

    The voting machines are not connected to the internet.


    Excactly.

    The MSM has sour grapes and they're spreading stupid myths that gullible uninformed believe because they don't know anything about hacking.

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    Russians hacked elections?
    « Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 10:36:02 AM »
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  • http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/secret-agenda-are-they-planning-to-use-russian-interference-as-an-excuse-to-invalidate-trumps-election-victory


    Secret Agenda: Are They Planning To Use ‘Russian Interference’ As An Excuse To Invalidate Trump’s Election Victory?

     By Michael Snyder, on December 11th, 2016

    It has been said that nothing happens by accident in politics, and it is certainly no accident that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, members of the U.S. Senate and the mainstream media are all suddenly buzzing about “Russian hacking” and “Russian interference” in our elections.  Over the past 48 hours, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and just about every other major news source in America has been breathlessly telling us that the CIA has concluded that the Russians “intervened” in the presidential election with the specific goal of helping Donald Trump win.  The implication is that if the Russian interference was significant enough, it could have “unfairly” altered the outcome of the election and thus Donald Trump’s victory was not legitimate.  And if his victory was not legitimate, that opens up all sorts of possibilities for the Democrats.

    For those that have been wondering if the establishment was going to attempt to steal the presidency away from Donald Trump before he can be inaugurated, we now appear to have our answer.

    There are several ways that this could work, and we’ll take it one step at a time.

    On Friday, we were suddenly assaulted with all sorts of headlines about how the U.S. intelligence community has concluded that the Russians interfered in the election and that they did so with the intention of helping Trump win.  The following example comes fromCNBC…

    The New York Times reported American intelligence agencies have “high confidence” that Russia intervened in the later stages of the 2016 election to help Trump win the presidency. Senior administration officials said the Russian government gave WikiLeaks emails from the Democratic National Committee, among others including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta. The organizations also found evidence that Russia hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems, but did not release the information.

    More specifically, we are being told that it is the CIA that is the primary source of this “intelligence”.  Of course the public is not being shown a shred of evidence that the Russians were behind any of this.  Instead, we are just being told to trust the “experts” at the CIA…

    The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the 2016 election specifically to help Donald Trump win the presidency, a U.S. official has confirmed to NPR.

    “Before, there was confidence about the fact that Russia interfered,” the official says. “But there was low confidence on what the direction and intentionality of the interference was. Now they [the CIA] have come to the conclusion that Russia was trying to tip the election to Trump.”

    On Sunday, four members of the U.S. Senate came forward to express their concerns about Russian interference.  Two of the four were Democrats, and the other two were Republicans that have been some of the most vocal critics of Donald Trump throughout the election season.  I don’t think that it is any accident that John McCain and Lindsey Graham have chosen to be part of this effort…

    “Congress’s national security committees have worked diligently to address the complex challenge of cybersecurity, but recent events show that more must be done,” said Sens. Chuck Schumer, the incoming Senate Democratic leader, Sen. John McCain, the Armed Services Committee chairman, fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, and Sen. Jack Reed, the top Armed Services Committee Democrat, in a Sunday morning statement.

    “While protecting classified material, we have an obligation to inform the public about recent cyberattacks that have cut to the heart of our free society. Democrats and Republicans must work together, and across the jurisdictional lines of the Congress, to examine these recent incidents thoroughly and devise comprehensive solutions to deter and defend against further cyber-attacks.”

    And of course this comes on the heels of Barack Obama ordering all of the intelligence agencies under his command to show him any evidence of Russian interference in the election before he leaves office.  According to NBC News, he is insisting that this evidence be delivered to him before January 20th…

    President Barack Obama has ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to deliver to him a dossier of the evidence that the Russian government used cyber attacks and other means to intervene in the 2016 election, possibly with the idea of making more information public, a senior intelligence official told NBC News.

    White House counterterrorism advisor Lisa Monaco told reporters that the results of the report would be shared with lawmakers and others. Obama leaves office on Jan. 20. Monaco used careful language, calling it a “full review of what happened during the 2016 election process.”

    Incredibly, this review is actually going to be headed up by the infamous James Clapper…

    Taking the absurdity to a whole new level, Obama wants the report completed before his term ends on January 20, by none other than a proven and confirmed liarThe review will be led by James Clapper, the outgoing director of national intelligence, officials said.” In other words, the report that the Kremlin stole the election should be prepared by the time Trump is expected to be sworn in.

    “We are going to make public as much as we can,” the spokesman added. “This is a major priority for the president.”

    So what is there such an urgency to this?

    Couldn’t they just begin this review now and have it completed at some point under the Trump administration?

    Or could it be possible that they need this information so urgently because they want to use it for political purposes?

    Some are already suggesting that if there is “clear evidence” of unfair Russian intervention that the only reasonable outcome would be to hold another election.  In fact, former CIA agent Bob Baer just appeared on CNN and stated that if “the evidence is there, I don’t see any other way than to vote again.”

    Could you imagine the uproar if that happened?

    Personally, I think that is not likely to happen.

    But this issue could be used to try to sway some Electoral College votes on December 19th.  We already know that one of Trump’s electoral voters has publicly pledged not to vote for him, and he claims that he has other Republican electoral voters that plan on joining him.

    But even if Trump successfully gets through the Electoral College vote, he still has one more hurdle to get over.

    On January 6th, a joint session of Congress will meet to count the electoral votes.  Most of the time this is a formality, but this time around that may not be the case.

    If at least one member of the House and at least one member of the Senate submits an objection in writing, electoral votes can potentially be invalidated.  The following comes from the official House.gov website…

    Since 1887, 3 U.S.C. 15 sets the method for objections to electoral votes. During the Joint Session, Members of Congress may object to individual electoral votes or to state returns as a whole. An objection must be declared in writing and signed by at least one Representative and one Senator. In the case of an objection, the Joint Session recesses and each chamber considers the objection separately in a session which cannot last more than two hours with each Member speaking for no more than five minutes. After each house votes on whether or not to accept the objection, the Joint Session reconvenes and both chambers disclose their decisions. If they agree to the objection, the votes in question are not counted. If either chamber does not agree with the objection, the votes are counted.

    So even if Donald Trump receives at least 270 Electoral College votes, he could still be denied the presidency by Congress.

    And that may be what the establishment is shooting for.  If they can present “compelling evidence” that Russian interference “unfairly” altered the outcome of the election in November, perhaps enough members of Congress can be convinced to vote to invalidate Trump’s election victory.

    I don’t think that is going to happen, but when it comes to Trump the normal rules don’t seem to apply.

    However, what should be apparent to everyone is that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and the members of Congress that are suddenly making this such a huge issue all have a reason for doing so.  They claim that they are doing it for the good of the country, but in politics there is almost always an ulterior motive for everything.

    Do they actually intend to try to steal the presidency from Donald Trump?

    If they do, we won’t have too long to wait before we find out.


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    Russians hacked elections?
    « Reply #6 on: December 13, 2016, 11:39:17 AM »
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  • http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/13/top-us-spy-agency-refuses-to-endorse-cias-russian-hacking-assessment-due-to-lack-of-evidence/

    Top US Spy Agency Refuses to Endorse CIA's Russian Hacking Assessment
    Due to the Lack of Evidence

    21st Century Wire

    12-13-2016

    If anyone still thinks that this whole ‘Russian hacking’ plot is not a motivated by internal US politics – think again…
    Tyler Durden
    Zero Hedge
    When the WaPo posted last Friday’s story about a “secret” CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, the readers of the Bezos-owned publication took it as gospel, despite, as we promptly noted, there being no evidence provided by the CIA, and as we learned today, the FBI openly resisting the CIA’s assessment. It now appears that once again the WaPo may have been engaging in “partial fake news”, as it did with its Nov. 24 story about “Russian propaganda fake media.”

    When the WaPo posted last Friday’s story about a “secret” CIA assessment that Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election, the readers of the Bezos-owned publication took it as gospel, despite, as we promptly noted, there being no evidence provided by the CIA, and as we learned today, the FBI openly resisting the CIA’s assessment. It now appears that once again the WaPo may have been engaging in “partial fake news”, as it did with its Nov. 24 story about “Russian propaganda fake media.”
    1-Donald-Trump-3According to Reuters, the so-called overseers of the U.S. intelligence community as it supervises the 17 agency-strong U.S. intelligence community, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), while not disputing the CIA’s analysis of Russian hacking operations – something which would be unprecedented for the US spy industry and would telegraph just how partisan and broken the country’s intelligence apparatus has become – has refused to endorse the CIA’s assessment “because of a lack of conclusive evidence” that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.
    As Reuters conveniently notes, the ODNI position could give Trump fresh ammunition to dispute the CIA assessment, which he rejected as “ridiculous” in weekend remarks, and press his assertion that no evidence implicates Russia in the cyber attacks. The ODNI’s position confirms that Trump was once again, you guessed it, right.
    “ODNI is not arguing that the agency (CIA) is wrong, only that they can’t prove intent,” said one of the three U.S. officials…

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    « Reply #7 on: December 13, 2016, 04:45:36 PM »
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  • I think it is very amusing that the media that is constantly talking about the danger of "fake news" is also the purveyor of biggest fake news story of the season:  The Russians hacked the election!   :laugh1:


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    Russians hacked elections?
    « Reply #8 on: December 14, 2016, 01:13:22 AM »
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  • I could care less if Russia tried to influence the election in Trump's favor.

    If my hunch is correct and Putin and Trump team up, hopefully with the help of Europe, radical Islam is in for a bad day.

    ISIS is going to be humiliated.

    It is also my hope that Trump pays China what we owe them and follows by telling them to pound sand.

    jmo

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    « Reply #9 on: December 14, 2016, 09:43:50 AM »
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  • Fake news such as the false, but official, 9-11 narrative can end up becoming fake mythology which in turn becomes false history which in the process can end up resulting in endless death and destruction.

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    Russians hacked elections?
    « Reply #10 on: December 14, 2016, 09:59:37 AM »
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  • This is funny!


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    Russians hacked elections?
    « Reply #11 on: December 15, 2016, 06:26:10 PM »
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  • "Leave it to a hypocritical Democrat to speak out of both sides of their neck.. They want it both ways, and  they will try anything to delegitimize a Trump administration..."

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    « Reply #12 on: December 15, 2016, 08:02:45 PM »
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  • Hillary did not win the popular vote. You have to discount 4 million votes from
    illegal aliens whom had not right to vote.
    Another million voted also must be discounted because of all the stiffs that
    voted from the cemeteries.
    10 million voted also need to be discounted because of the ballot box
    stuffing and the double and triple voting via busing by democratic
    operatives precincts to precincts.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 16, 2016, 06:08:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: jman123
    Do you think that Russia interfered in our elections as the media says? What do you think of this issue?


    It's a stupid pile of propaganda and lies. They have offered no proof. Only an media-brainwashed idiot would fall for it.

    Unfortunately there are plenty of those in the world today... Just look at how many people voted for the criminal Hillary.
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    « Reply #14 on: December 16, 2016, 09:26:02 AM »
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  • The only proof of hacking is from the Department of Homeland Security into
    the State of Georgia voting data base.
    Other States are discovering the same happened to them. Not Russia, but
    the US Government. More latter on this.

    https://off-guardian.org/2016/12/16/georgia-sec-of-state-claims-dhs-hacks-his-office-during-elections/