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Offline Nishant

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Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
« on: November 16, 2016, 08:39:33 AM »
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    • Cardinal Burke suggests going further. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/11/cardinal-burke-if-pope-persists-in.html

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    There is, in the Tradition of the Church, the practice of correction of the Roman Pontiff. It is something that is clearly quite rare. But if there is no response to these questions, then I would say that it would be a question of taking a formal act of correction of a serious error ...

    If the Pope were to teach grave error or heresy, which lawful authority can declare this and what would be the consequences?

    It is the duty in such cases, and historically it has happened, of cardinals and bishops to make clear that the Pope is teaching error and to ask him to correct it.

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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 09:01:13 AM »
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    • Too bad they let slide the myriad "errors" made by Francis' predecessors.
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 09:12:25 AM »
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    Too bad they let slide the myriad "errors" made by Francis' predecessors.


    I fully expect the Church to prosecute those "errors" in the future:



    The question still to be determined... is the canonical validity of their offices?
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 09:16:01 AM »
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    Cardinal Burke suggests going further. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/11/cardinal-burke-if-pope-persists-in.html

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    There is, in the Tradition of the Church, the practice of correction of the Roman Pontiff. It is something that is clearly quite rare. But if there is no response to these questions, then I would say that it would be a question of taking a formal act of correction of a serious error ...

    If the Pope were to teach grave error or heresy, which lawful authority can declare this and what would be the consequences?

    It is the duty in such cases, and historically it has happened, of cardinals and bishops to make clear that the Pope is teaching error and to ask him to correct it.



    This is the first time I've heard of this Canonical mechanism?

    How wonderful and it makes perfect sense!

    For the sake of Church history, this should be done.  It should be on the record that some Cardinals and Bishops formally opposed the "Destroyer" pope.

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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2016, 09:39:10 AM »
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    f Church history, this should be done.  It should be on the record that some Cardinals and Bishops formally opposed the "Destroyer" pope.[/color]



    Too little.  Too late.  99% of the destruction has already been done.  This latest is the tip of the iceberg and these "Cardinals and Bishops" have been asleep at the switch, if not accomplices in the destruction, the entire time.
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2016, 11:19:39 AM »
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    • I don't believe allowing adulterers to receive communion is anything new. Of course it is bad, but it has already been going on for decades. They have been giving out bogus annulments, tens of thousands per year, for ages now. I bet these Cardinals gave out  annulments like everyone else, so why are they complaining?
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #6 on: November 16, 2016, 11:47:27 AM »
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    Too bad they let slide the myriad "errors" made by Francis' predecessors.


    Thanks for the laugh.   :laugh1:
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #7 on: November 16, 2016, 11:49:58 AM »
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    f Church history, this should be done.  It should be on the record that some Cardinals and Bishops formally opposed the "Destroyer" pope.[/color]



    Too little.  Too late.  99% of the destruction has already been done.  This latest is the tip of the iceberg and these "Cardinals and Bishops" have been asleep at the switch, if not accomplices in the destruction, the entire time.


     :cheers:
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #8 on: November 16, 2016, 11:53:05 AM »
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    • I'm certain His Eminence and Company will get the same reaction from the left wing lemmings in the Church (should they go ahead with their slap on the wrist of Francis) as Donald Trump is getting from the establishment politicians.  

     :judge:
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #9 on: November 16, 2016, 03:04:46 PM »
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    • This presents a possible big problem for the R&R folks.  If this ends up being just another Archbishop Lefebvre moment, then it will resolve nothing.  We will continue on in the same crisis that we have been in since 1963.  But if the 4 Conciliar cardinals take it a step further and actually declare Francis to have lost his office, how will the R&R handle it?  How could the R&R justify such an act if they have spent the last 40 years developing arguments for how such a thing could never be done?  It would be a great irony if the 4 cardinals and their myriad NO followers broke from the Conciliar church just as the SSPX was entering it.  I'm not sure how this will play out but regardless of the outcome it will be interesting to see how it is handled by the various players involved.

    The ideal situation from my perspective would be for the 4 cardinals to not only declare the Roman See vacant but to also seek valid orders from a traditional bishop.  If that happens, this could be the definitive resolution to the crisis.  It could have the potential to unite many sede vacantists with many R&R and conservative Catholics around a truly Catholic pope.  That could be a miraculous outcome.
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #10 on: November 16, 2016, 03:23:00 PM »
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    •  :laugh1: :laugh2: :jester: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh2: :cheers:
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #11 on: November 17, 2016, 03:05:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Too bad they let slide the myriad "errors" made by Francis' predecessors.
    Doesn't their now-open letter cite JPII as the only authority against Francis's heresies? It's like making the devil drink his own poison.  :farmer:

    That's St. Benedict strategy against Satan, when he tells him (the S.M.Q.L.I.V.B. of his medal):
    Sunt mala quae libas; ipse venena bibas.
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #12 on: November 17, 2016, 08:23:41 PM »
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 11:54:49 PM »
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    •  "The issue is the truth.” Cardinal Burke
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    Cardinal Burke: Cardinals could take a "Formal Act of Correction"
    « Reply #14 on: November 18, 2016, 06:30:18 AM »
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    "The issue is the truth.” Cardinal Burke


    So do you agree that the Cardinals should take measures to jerk Frank's ass into line?
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