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Offline Mark 79

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  • The Final Veil Is Falling
    by Tom Baugh | November 12, 2016 | Updated: November 12, 2016
    http://starvingthemonkeys.com/2016/11/12/the-final-veil-hs-falling/

    Faithless electors. This theoretical flaw feature of the Constitution, which once was the province of fringe conspiracy theorists, now has a face. What was barely thinkable a week ago, is now a rising tide of a leftist social media campaign in the real world, and mainstream media trial balloons. Hint: once these things hit the trial balloon stage, they never just go away.

    I am going to skip citing all the references to this discussion, anyone can look these things up for yourselves and confirm the details. It is big blue arrow time. Go off and read Article II of the Constitution and the 12th Amendment and pay attention to the electoral process. Next, do a little bit of research on faithless electors and the #NotMyPresident social media campaign. Commenter Tblake on WRSA put together the best synopsis I have seen on this topic. If you research nothing else, read that comment in full.

    What we are seeing forming out there is a huge misdirection campaign. We are meant to believe the following:

    The faithless elector campaign would be a harmless and reasonable extension of the popular vote.
    The faithless elector campaign is a grassroots social media event.
    Laws in some states prevent faithless electors.
    The House of Representatives will overturn an elector defection.
    The faithless elector campaign is unlikely to come to fruition in any case.
    Each of these is a deception, and the entire web of them is intended to distract us from the actual threat imposed by a significant elector defection. We need to review some fundamental principles, after which, the details will pretty much fall into place on their own.

    The first fundamental principle is to recognize that all wars, all struggles of any kind, have been economic (for land, stuff, slaves populations, etc.) and that these struggles, particularly revolutionary struggles, have involved five basic classes: natural elites, mystics, royals, merchants and bankers (1). Way too much stuff to get into here, and way too much generalization into overlapping classes, but note that nowhere in that list is the common man. Also nowhere is the idea of liberty. The common man has always been a tool manipulated by one or more of those interests against one or more of the others, and lofty ideas such as liberty have always been the marketing behind that manipulation. Further, the historical progression has always been toward the right of that list, the bankers, culminating where we are today in that the international bankers, the financial oligarchs, are on the precipice of their final victory. The problem is that the farther to the right on that list, the more parasitic the ruling class becomes. Their final victory will lead to the destruction of civilization itself in anything close to the form in which we know it.

    This historical progression has always been concealed by one or more layers of veils, and even our modern political ism models (Protestantism, Constitutionalism, Marxism, etc.) have themselves been veils, disguising the true nature of each successive conflict and the allies involved, with the banking class always at the levers. Protestantism was a banker war against the last consolidation of the mystics (enlisting the royals and the merchants to their ultimate detriment), Constitutionalism was a banker war against the royals (enlisting the merchants to their ultimate detriment), and Marxism was a banker war against the merchants. Again, way too much stuff to get into here (2).

    Of all these classes, the bankers have always been particularly adept at infiltrating and subverting the organs of culture, influence and power. Not being bothered with things like sermons, governing or producing, they have been able to devote an inordinate amount of time, effort and money (which they, by definition, first obtain control over) to corrupting all other institutions. And in corrupting an institution, that institution becomes less capable of providing the benefit which prompted its creation in the first place. Poison a field, and it can no longer grow food, for example.

    Art, science, innovation, strength, courage, valor; the natural elites have been infiltrated and hollowed out. Religion, faith, charity, hope, decency; the mystics have been infiltrated and hollowed out. Inspiration, dignity, leadership, noblesse oblige; the royals have been infiltrated and hollowed out. Trade, self-reliance, growth, prosperity; the merchants have been infiltrated and hollowed out. Each of these are now just miserable shells of their former selves, their replacements no longer provide the benefit to civilization that each once provided. Each of these have fallen victim to the banker class, the financial oligarchs and their tentacles, which now reach into every facet of modern life.

    The Constitution itself is no different. Whether you believe it was divinely ordained or corrupt to begin with, there is no question that the history of America is that of progressive divergence from the marketing wrapper with which it was imbued. But, as this divergence becomes wider, the gap becomes more and more obvious.

    This gap widens in everything they touch because the banking class is different from all the others. All of the other classes have various degrees of motivation to maintain civilization: the natural elites wish to have a legacy, the mystics need larger populations to tithe, the royals need healthy economies to protect them from invasion by better royals, and the merchants need customers. The bankers are uniquely parasitic, they believe they already own it all, and use their power to conscript talent, faith, government and business as whips to harvest by deception, fear and force.

    This is where two streams converge: the destructive nature of the infiltration, and the increasingly obvious corruption. This is why so many people are becoming so aware, and are mad as hell when they finally wake up and understand what has been done to them while they were dreaming. And there is nothing like being denied the opportunity to provide for yourselves and your families to wake you up. We are returning in a gigantic circle to the precipice of a primitive culture, equipped with rifles and cell phones. Once all the veils fall, the buy-in stops, and all hell breaks loose in the form of unintended consequences as the previously well-behaved stop behaving well.

    Lie #1 revealed: this faithless elector campaign is not a harmless extension of the popular vote, it is a dangerous escalation that will have massive downstream consequences.

    Understanding this historical trend (and the emerging cyclical nature of it), the second fundamental principle to understand is there never has been a grassroots uprising, it has all been astroturf orchestrated and financed by one or more of the warring factions (usually the one farther to the right on the scale above). The common man is recruited into the war either with outright force, as in conscription (usually by the established power), or by marketing (usually by the usurper) (3).

    Lie #2 revealed: this faithless elector campaign is not grassroots, it is a well-funded and deliberately orchestrated revolution and show of force.

    The third fundamental principle is that government officials view, as a birthright, laws as something they administer, not something that they obey. Worse, government officials have a bias, bordering on obsession, to not enforcing the law against other officials (unless there is political advantage to be gained against an opponent), even when the infractions are grossly evident. When more comes out about our local city effort, you will see how many seemingly unrelated officials shuck and jive to dodge holding other officials accountable, even to the point of committing crimes themselves to do so.

    Related, public officials believe that they have birthright to change inconvenient laws on a whim. Their rationale is that they are responding to a emerging public need, and ignore the bedrock upon which those inconvenient laws lie. As such, they are more likely to toss long-existing tradition on the fire in exchange for an expedient legacy. So, the legislatures can easily change those elector laws on a dime, and feel good about having done it, especially if the media treat them as heroes. “It’s about healing the nation.”

    Now consider the likelihood of an elector ever being held accountable for a defection, even if they are in a state which prohibits it, even if the penalty is not laughable compared to the potential gain, even if they were indicted, even if they were convicted, and even if they don’t receive a pardon, either by their governor or by the new President they elected. These people will also get the media hero treatment.

    Lie #3 revealed: all electors from all states are in play, not just those whose state laws do not prohibit it.

    The fourth fundamental principle is that the two main tools of corruption are bribes and blackmail, best applied in unison, and that very few reach a top position in either the public state or the Deep State without a willingness to be compromised. We’ve seen lately, courtesy of Wikileaks, how pervasive and vile the Epstein child sex slave connections are; all these people have to do is get some official drunk or high, get them in a compromising position, take some video, and they are owned for life. The carrot to that stick is those lucrative gravy trains. Don’t for a minute think that this same approach isn’t going on, albeit at a smaller (and hopefully less horrific) scale, on your local level. After all, the local level is almost always a farm team for the big leagues, and why wouldn’t the big league scouts be out, looking for who to corrupt early before they slip through and cause too much trouble (4)?

    Is the House of Representatives compromised in such a way? Who can say. However, we all saw the bankers being written large checks in 2008, despite about 95% public opposition to a bail-out. How much more easy will it be when 60 million or more people are saying “heal the nation”? The House is Republican, you say? Good thing they got rid of Obamacare. Still think they will do the right thing? They will do the right thing, as their minds see it, it just isn’t what you think that means. Plus, they have the media on their side, or against them if they forget about those drunken videos of them with little boys.

    Lie #4 revealed: the House of Representatives will confirm an elector defection, and the media will cheer them on for doing so.

    Remember all those pissed off people who are waking up? There is no putting that cat back in the bag. We are at a unique point in history where so many people are aware and communicating, including the vestiges of the naturals, the mystics, the royals and the merchants. The bankers have finally aroused the zeal of all of these remnants, and they know it. This is a use-it-or-lose it proposition. They might hang on for one or two more cycles, but it is getting increasingly hard for them to hide behind the curtain. The final veil is about to fall, revealing the mailed fist behind it.

    Lie #5 revealed: whether this time around or not, if the media ever loses control of the electoral narrative, and the election can’t be rigged without being caught, and the opposition classes manage to field a genuine alternative, eventually, elector defection will be the tool of last resort.

    Why all the lies? As always, just as with the 2008 bailout, so that this can be slipped in and be a fait accompli before anyone can even see what is going on. I don’t know whether they’re going to do it this time, or if this is just a preconditioning trial balloon for the future. You can never tell. But eventually, someone is going to hit this Constitutional doomsday button and show it all for what it is. Whether it happens this time or not depends entirely on how well Trump demonstrates his deference, or virtue-signals in alt-right terms, to the Deep State and to their financial oligarch masters between now and when the electoral college acts in December.

    And it will all be perfectly Constitutional and legal when it happens. That is how these creatures work, they turn your noble character, virtue and institutions against you. Even if that means the establishment coercing 270 electors into writing down Anne T. Kreiste as their choice. They don’t have to pick either Trump or Hillary, do they? It says it right there in black and white; if they’re going to go to the trouble to drop the veil, why not go large (5)(6)? After all, its about healing the nation.

    You think you’ve been pissed off when the elites have ignored the Constitution, thinking that it doesn’t apply to them? Just think of how pissed off you’re going to be when they start following it and applying it to you. By design, of course, so that you will lose your head and justify taking you out early, while you are relatively harmless.

    The problem is, you have always thought that what you were missing is liberty or justice. No. What you are missing is power; outsourcing that, in all its forms, didn’t work. If you have enough power, you will have all the liberty and justice you wish. And power is what we are going to talk about in the future.

    Until then, put yourselves back into the state of calm determination you had a week ago. We’ve had our feel-goods, we’ve gotten our breather, now let’s get our heads back into the game. Wargame the possible outcomes and prepare accordingly rather than reacting rashly (7). Expect a well-orchestrated surprise sell-out (8), one way or another, and then if it doesn’t happen, bask in being pleasantly surprised.

    Welcome to the era of rule by orchestrated mob and rule by hysteria. The financial oligarchs have now fully infiltrated, and hollowed out, one of the last lines, if not the last line, of peaceful defense against chaos. The final veil is falling.

     

    Footnotes:

    (1) Since the very first trade of goods or services, someone was watching on and decided it would be easier to benefit by getting in the middle of that trade. Later middlemen learned to harness the power of the state to force the use of such middlemen. The modern culmination is control of the money supply, the medium of trade itself. Innovations such as Obamacare are merely the latest in a series of refinements to compulsory brokerage.

    (2) There have been some exceptions to these patterns, usually in the form of cultural anomalies. For example, National Socialism was unique to the German character; Hitler himself often said it could not be exported (not that this fact has kept the feds from using Neo-nαzιsm as a honeytrap for the unwary, but that is another story). Similarly, Chinese Communism is a departure from the use of Marxism in general as it uniquely fits the Chinese culture.

    (3) This principle has been honed to a point by the American political process, and is self-evident once you realize how many times you have been duped by a great candidate promising to set things right again. Marxism has honed this further by killing off the best revolutionaries after taking power, so that these same people don’t cause trouble to the new establishment once they realize they were duped. The American version has been to defang the top revolutionaries with lucrative Deep State positions and political consultancies.

    (4) Due to changing mores, the level of horror for compromise necessarily increases. It is only a matter of time before cannibalism will be on the menu. Mark my words.

    (5) If no one electee has 270 votes, the House of Representatives has to select from the top three aggregate electees. The electors themselves, however, can write down whomever they wish to become those electees. As long as Anne T. Kreiste winds up in the top three, the House can pick her. One sufficiently compromised elector would be enough to put her there, twenty or so would be easy enough to make it foolproof. One from each state would be a nice, seemingly harmless, healing gesture, followed a spasm of surprise acclaim from a suitably prepared pedophilic House. And once it is done, it is done. Supreme Court? Hold on, I just wet myself laughing.

    (6) A particularly clever apparent compromise would be to offer to back a ringer at VP, with conservatives expecting Hillary to finally succuмb to whatever the hell it is she claims she doesn’t have, only to find out she doesn’t have it and it was all theatrics. The permutations are endless.

    (7) Ultimately, the President is just a well-staffed Deep State puppet anyway, and has been for a long time. It would be nice to have one that isn’t outright evil, though, who might have a chance of at least slowing down some of the horror.

    (8) Nobody pull a Finicuм, you are needed later. That is why the tagline at the top has been “Fight Back Smarter” since 2009.


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    « Reply #1 on: November 17, 2016, 06:14:48 PM »
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  • Excellent article which I'm going to lift and add to the thread (NWO OfferThreat to Mr. Trump) I started under Politics and World Leaders.

    We better wrap our heads around the distinct possibility of an "Electoral College 9-11."  Things just as extraordinary, if not more so, have happened in the world of American politics and intrigue.  If the presidency can be stolen by a piece of lead and it certainly be stolen by a bunch of Electors who would as the article points out be praised by the MSM, among so many others.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 09:51:48 PM »
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  • In light of recent electoral college speculation, the follow-up article is interesting, even though imperfect:

    http://starvingthemonkeys.com/2016/11/22/faithless-elector-update-22-nov-2016/

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    « Reply #3 on: November 23, 2016, 12:06:25 AM »
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  • Seems to be a lot of ʝʊdɛօ-masonic political theory behind the arguments.

    A coupe d' etat which divides and demoralizes the nation.

    It is hard to tell what is "acting" and what is "reality" anymore?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #4 on: November 23, 2016, 09:11:11 AM »
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    The faithless elector campaign is unlikely to come to fruition in any case. 
    This one is the most dangerous that I have seen... like this most recent article from the Daily Caller suggests. There's a lot of similar articles out there which are keeping the masses unaware of the current dangers.

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    To Vote Against Clinton In Wild Attempt To Keep Trump From White House

    PHILLIP STUCKY

    11:19 AM 11/22/2016

    Six former Bernie supporters joined together in an attempt to buck their state-mandated vote in an attempt to keep Trump from the White House, but there’s just one problem: They are mandated to vote for Clinton.

    The small contingent hails from the states of Washington and Colorado, but both states went to Clinton in the general election Nov. 8. The small group plans to vote against Clinton for the simple reason of instilling doubt in the constitutionally-enshrined institution of the Electoral College.

    Instead of pulling votes away from Trump, the group is trying to raise the number of electors who vote in a way other than how they are directed by their respective states. Electors who vote opposite of their mandate are called “faithless objectors,” and the Bernie supporters are trying to reach Trump electors who could be on the fence about supporting the President-elect.

    “If you could get eight or 10 Trump electors to vote for someone else … then that would probably get people’s attention,”  political science professor and Electoral College expert at Texas A&M University George Edwards III told Politico. “We haven’t ever had that many faithless electors in one election.”

    “If we cannot use the Electoral College as a deliberative process … then we ought to do away with it,” group leader and Colorado elector Michael Baca told Politico.

    The group asserts that in order to succeed in their goal, they would have to convince 37 Republican electors to vote against Trump, a number the groups understands is unlikely. The ultimate goal, the group says, is to reduce the overall faith the average american voter has in the electoral college system.

    Until the actual votes are tallied, it will be very difficult for either Democrats or Republicans to ascertain just how effective the movement is, because there is no organized whip effort to gauge how many electors intend to vote they way they are instructed.

    There is no remedy for a faithless elector.

    A small number of Trump electors expressed misgivings about supporting the president-elect. Texas elector Art Sisneros told Politico that he hasn’t made up his mind, and South Dakota elector and Gov. Dennis Daugaard called on Trump to withdraw from the race in October.

    Even if the 6 Democrats don’t gain any additional sympathizers to their cause, it would be the first time so many “faithless electors” rejected a living presidential candidate since 1802, according to Politico.

    The effort comes shortly after it became clear a constitutional amendment proposed by California Sen. Barbara Boxer would never pass a Republican-controlled Congress. Senators from 11 Democratic states signed on to support the measure, but an amendment would need a lot more support to change the Electoral College.



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/22/sanders-electors-vow-to-vote-against-clinton-in-wild-attempt-to-keep-trump-from-white-house/#ixzz4QqNv0rur


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    « Reply #5 on: November 23, 2016, 10:59:56 AM »
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  • In the 2000 election cycle, Al Gore won the popular vote but G.W. Bush won the electoral college numbers.  By the time the electors gathered in their respective State capitals to cast their votes for president and vice president as directed by the U.S. Constitution, there was news that a number of electors had agreed to refuse to cast their votes for Bush.  There were reports that Gore may end up winning the electoral college vote or that the election may be decided by the House of Representatives.

    In the end, not one Republican elector voted for Al Gore or any other candidate.  In fact, there was only one elector who did not cast his vote as directed by the popular vote in the jurisdiction for which he was appointed:  One elector for the District of Columbia did not vote for Al Gore as he was supposed to do and, instead, abstained.  Thus, Al Gore actually received one vote less than he was supposed to have received.

    I doubt very much that any of the Republican electors will vote for a candidate other than Donald Trump.  I have already read that several Democrat electors have announced that they will vote for Bernie Sanders.  

    I guess we'll see in about a month.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 23, 2016, 11:16:26 AM »
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  • Happened to see some MSNBC and scan the WSJ this morning.

    MSNBC is pushing a story that a computer geek is suggesting Hillary demand a vote recount.

    The WSJ printed a front-page article saying Trump won't ask for Hillary's criminal investigation.

    But the more interesting, "money flow" stories were that the stock market rallied to an all time high of 19,000.  The ʝʊdɛօ-money men seem to love the new era of Trump.

    If you try to take Trump away from them... somebody will die.

    Next tidbit... China is rushing to fill the trade vacuum left by the US pull-out of the Pacific Trade Agreement.

    So, Trump is good for the plausible scenario of de-stabilizing trade wars, which always seems to precede a world war.

    Next up, looking for Obama will be assigned as a diplomat to the Balkans.  If you've read Alois Irmaier's predictions, this has a dire meaning.
    :wink:



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    « Reply #7 on: November 23, 2016, 11:18:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    I doubt very much that any of the Republican electors will vote for a candidate other than Donald Trump.  I have already read that several Democrat electors have announced that they will vote for Bernie Sanders.  
    I really hope and pray you're right!


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    « Reply #9 on: November 30, 2016, 06:26:40 PM »
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  • Best way to stop the recount is for the Congress controlled by Republicans can
    indict Hillary for her many perjury charges. And impeached her even though
    she does not hold Secretary of State.
    This happened only once in the 1870's a Cabinet secretary was impeached by congress even though he already resigned from the position.
    Do we hear any congressman recommending perjury and impeachment charges
    against Hillary, so far a very few.
    This would stop Hillary and she would be forbidden to run and hold any future federal office.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 01, 2016, 10:35:23 AM »
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  • Trump is so compromised that he will accomplish little of his already broken campaign promises, if anything. There is much evidence suggesting he is deeply involved in "Pizzagate" as well as being a willing servant of the ѕуηαgσgυє.
    http://judaism.is/news.html


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  • It was deeply saddened to see the use of the words "more easy"  and "a emerging..." in such an excellent article.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #12 on: December 04, 2016, 10:07:03 AM »
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  • Another installment: http://starvingthemonkeys.com/2016/11/30/differential-trump-analysis/

    I rather like the analyses of Fake but Naive Trump, Fake but Clever Trump, Real but Naive Trump, and Real but Clever Trump.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 04, 2016, 10:57:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mark 79
    Another installment: http://starvingthemonkeys.com/2016/11/30/differential-trump-analysis/

    I rather like the analyses of Fake but Naive Trump, Fake but Clever Trump, Real but Naive Trump, and Real but Clever Trump.
    Putin seems to suggest that he may be smart but maybe naive?

    Putin: Trump is smart, will soon be aware of different level of responsibility

    Article here:  https://www.rt.com/news/369143-putin-trump-smart-responsibility/

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    « Reply #14 on: December 14, 2016, 05:33:46 AM »
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  • Likely the last installment until the Electoral College meets:
    http://starvingthemonkeys.com/2016/12/13/faithless-elector-update-13-dec-2016/

    And, from the update, a very interesting link with background on Suprun, the elector who has been touting his "conscience":
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-13/exposed-anti-trump-elector-chris-suprun-paid-ashley-madison-while-bankrupt-and-marri

    An bit of a tangent, an older interview that is interesting:
    https://readfomag.com/2016/02/interview-former-seal-matt-bracken-talks-shtf-and-a-dirty-civil-war/
    A caveat—The author thinks it is appropriate to "profile" muslims because they (and no one else) were responsible for 9/11, BUT the author thinks it is terrible that Germany "profiled" the tribe that perpetrated the Bavarians Socialist Republic (tens of thousand of Germans died in the coup) while Germany was trying to fight World War 1, the same tribe that declared war of Germany in 1933. Go figure.