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Lawless?  I readily grant that there are serious abuses of forfeiture laws, but notion of seizing and eventaully forfeiting ill-gotten property is ancient.  Actually, based upon what you're saying, it seems you are an unwitting quasi-anarchist.  Listen, if this man's money came from legitimate sources, it would be very easy to provide documentation via. bank records, paychecks, etc.  The fact that he cannot provide this basic documentation is highly suspicious in light of the circumstances.  Until you actually deal with the facts, I rest my case. 

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Caminus said:
Lawless?  I readily grant that there are serious abuses of forfeiture laws, but notion of seizing and eventaully forfeiting ill-gotten property is ancient.  Actually, based upon what you're saying, it seems you are an unwitting quasi-anarchist.  Listen, if this man's money came from legitimate sources, it would be very easy to provide documentation via. bank records, paychecks, etc.  The fact that he cannot provide this basic documentation is highly suspicious in light of the circumstances.  Until you actually deal with the facts, I rest my case. 


What about his possessions?

Why not just reposess everything and buy the house?

Forfeiting ill-gotten property should require a trial, not a cop wanting to grab cash for the department.  As for being required to "prove" that the money is yours and not ill-gotten, it's the responsibility of the police to prove that it is ill-gotten.

There's nothing anarchical in saying cops should not be able to seize cash.  Quite the contrary, it's an anarchical system that says very large amounts of cash are allowed to be seized because of the discovery of 1/100 that amount in contraband.
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Caminus said:
Lawless?  I readily grant that there are serious abuses of forfeiture laws, but notion of seizing and eventaully forfeiting ill-gotten property is ancient.  Actually, based upon what you're saying, it seems you are an unwitting quasi-anarchist.  Listen, if this man's money came from legitimate sources, it would be very easy to provide documentation via. bank records, paychecks, etc.  The fact that he cannot provide this basic documentation is highly suspicious in light of the circumstances.  Until you actually deal with the facts, I rest my case. 


What about his possessions?

Why not just reposess everything and take the house?

Forfeiting ill-gotten property (unless it clearly belongs to someone else) should require a trial, not a cop wanting to grab cash for the department.  As for being required to "prove" that the money is yours and not ill-gotten, it's the responsibility of the police to prove that it is ill-gotten.

There's nothing anarchical in saying cops should not be able to seize cash.  Quite the contrary, it's an anarchical system that says very large amounts of cash are allowed to be seized because of the discovery of 1/100 that amount in contraband.

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"One cannot both shake hands with modernists and keep following Tradition. Not possible. Not possible. Now, stay in touch with them to bring them back, to convert them to Tradition, yes, if you like, that's the right kind of ecumenism! But give the impression that after all one almost regrets any break, that one likes talking to them? No way!"

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