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The Saga of Fr. Richard Voigt
« on: September 30, 2015, 06:12:02 PM »
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  • Fr. Voigt is now saying Mass occasionally at St. Dominic's Chapel outside San Antonio, TX:

    http://www.stdominicschapel.com

    We’ve known Fr. Richard Voigt for well over a decade.  He is a good and faithful priest, in our opinion.  Father is a Salesian, having served at least 25 years as a priest in the Novus Ordo, before finally touching down on the pre-Vatican 2 traditional Church.  It cost him quite a bit to do so, but he stuck it out faithfully. cuмulatively, Father has spent 37 years in the priesthood.   He was ordained by Cardinal Timothy Manning in 1978; but he agreed, at Fr. Joe Pfeiffer’s behest, to be conditionally re-ordained by Bp. Richard Williamson on December 21, 2013.
     
    Father was invited to work with Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko  3 years ago.   Until very recently, he was associated with Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Seminary in Boston KY.   Finally, however, Fr. Voigt got fed up with the situation there.  He stuck it out as long as he possibly could, but eventually, a growing number of unfortunate incidents conspired together in forcing him to leave.
     
    Father took all of his possessions with him when he left Pfeifferville a short time ago.  That is to say, he took what physical property he owned.  But, alas, a lot, if not most of the money he had when he came, he did not have when he left.  He got quite a fleecing at the hands of a couple of the ‘usual suspects,’ shall we say.  Let me share one incident illustrative of the fleecing he experienced.  There were other incidents, to be certain, which helped to lighten Fathers pocketbook.  They will be highlighted in future posts.

    Earlier this year, a woman in California sold some stock.  She informed Fr. Pfeiffer that the proceeds from that sale would be forwarded to Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, as soon as she had them in hand. Their value amounted to $31,000.

    Meanwhile, puzzlingly, though sufficient funds were not on hand, the OLMC seminary went ahead anyway with a paving project, which included a new basketball court for the seminarians and the paving of various roadways around the Boston, KY property.  They hired a paving contractor from Indianapolis to do the work.  The work crew arrived, ready to start the project, but, alas, no money on hand, or very little of it!

    Fr. Pfeiffer needed some ready cash up front.  So he put the touch on the ever generous Father Voigt.  Fr. P had been able to count on Fr. V for money before, so he may have thought that he could go to the well one more time.   Though Fr. Vogt had already donated, i.e. given, thousands of dollars to Fr. P on other occasions for different things, he told Father P that this time it must be a “loan” to be paid back as soon as the generous California woman’s money arrived.  Father Pfeiffer agreed readily to the arrangement and the terms thereof.  So Fr. Voigt opened his purse yet another time and loaned Fr. P practically every cent he had to his name.  It amounted to $22,000 dollars.  I’ll let Fr. Voigt tell the rest of the story in his own words from a recent letter he wrote to Fr. Pfeiffer:  
     
    “..We all knew that there was a check coming from the sale of stocks.  This loan was given because the workers were there and the deal was clearly a good one.  I gave that cash with the understanding that when the check came in I would have my funds returned.  It didn’t happen that way, did it? Instead, the check came in and I found out only through Fr. Hewko that you received the money.  When I asked you about it, you became like a Henry VIII telling me that all the money was gone.  Then I was accused (by you) of lying concerning the amount that I could give.  It was amazing to hear the rationalization come out of your mouth despite the fact that you know I had only $22,000 and I loaned it all to you. Now will I ever see that again?  I wonder.  One day you and the Mexican will have to stand before the Judge of all and answer for what you have done.  You have stolen my funds and you seek to destroy my reputation.  This is a sin…”

    In addition to the $22,000 Fr. Pfeiffer got from Fr. Voigt, he borrowed another $12,000 from his own mother.  Then around the same time he asked the kind lady from California for an additional $6,000 by way of a loan.  He got both those sums, which, when placed together with the $22,000 from Fr. V, came to around $40,000 dollars.  Was all that money used for the basketball court and the other paving projects?  Father doesn’t know to this day.  All he knows is this:  Both his mother and the woman from California got paid back immediately.  Fr. Voigt is still out $22,000, every bit of savings he had to his name.  What happened to it?  Best to ask Fr. Pfeiffer, or, maybe, Pablo.
     
    I wish that were the end of this sad tale, but it isn’t.  Not by a long shot.  It will continue in another post.
     
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    « Reply #1 on: September 30, 2015, 06:20:57 PM »
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  • Sounds like a grave sin of theft to me.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 30, 2015, 06:35:21 PM »
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  • Wait, all rhetoric aside, where did the money actually go?
    A portion of it was probably used to buy the tickets and accommodations to attend Mons. Faure's consecration (Frs Pfieffer, Hewco, and guests). Is the rest in an endowment fund? Do they use the rest to travel for mass?

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    « Reply #3 on: September 30, 2015, 06:41:27 PM »
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  • The clouds appear to be darkening over Kentucky.  Perhaps they need an Exorcist...seriously!

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    « Reply #4 on: September 30, 2015, 06:57:18 PM »
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  • This testimony lines up nicely with my own favorable testimony of Fr. Voigt, including his generous spirit.

    See what I mean? This is serious. And I wish I could say it was all Pablo.

    Hollingsworth, if you have an address for Fr. Voigt, where support could be sent (spiritual, financial and otherwise) please feel free to post it here.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 30, 2015, 07:21:22 PM »
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  • Matthew:
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    Hollingsworth, if you have an address for Fr. Voigt, where support could be sent (spiritual, financial and otherwise) please feel free to post it here.


    I'll get hold of him and pass on your kind overtures.  I talk to Father on the phone pretty often.  We also have a physical address.  But, for obvious reasons, I hesitate to post it until we've talked to him.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 30, 2015, 11:01:29 PM »
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  • henry101 - +Williamson did conditionally ordained a spanish priest fr. iglesias in the early days of the resistance.  Fr iglesias then went to boston KY to teach latin.  He was a public sedevacantist at the same time.  And, then he left and went back to the novus ordo.  That is what I heard.  
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    « Reply #7 on: September 30, 2015, 11:45:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    I’ll let Fr. Voigt tell the rest of the story in his own words from a recent letter he wrote to Fr. Pfeiffer:  
     
    “..We all knew that there was a check coming from the sale of stocks.  This loan was given because the workers were there and the deal was clearly a good one.  I gave that cash with the understanding that when the check came in I would have my funds returned.  It didn’t happen that way, did it? Instead, the check came in and I found out only through Fr. Hewko that you received the money.  When I asked you about it, you became like a Henry VIII telling me that all the money was gone.  Then I was accused (by you) of lying concerning the amount that I could give.  It was amazing to hear the rationalization come out of your mouth despite the fact that you know I had only $22,000 and I loaned it all to you. Now will I ever see that again?  I wonder.  One day you and the Mexican will have to stand before the Judge of all and answer for what you have done.  You have stolen my funds and you seek to destroy my reputation.  This is a sin…”
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    Assuming that you obtained this correspondence between Fr Voigt and Fr Pfeiffer legitimately, and assuming you have the permission of Fr Voigt to do so, this letter should be sent to Bishop Williamson for H.E. to draw his own conclusions and take appropriate action. It is not a matter that should be 'sorted out' on a public forum, unless all other options have been exhausted.

    You have no idea how much damage is being inflicted upon the Resistance, by the scandals themselves (if true), but especially by the way they have been handled and broadcasted for a long time now.

    For Heaven's sake, how much more damage do you want to inflict ?

    Every crisis is an opportunity. Send your evidence to Bishop Williamson and petition him to show the world that he is not a hypocrite but instead that he has the guts to deal with real issues in his own backyard ! He is the ONLY ONE who has the moral authority to control the damage.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 12:18:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    Matthew:
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    Hollingsworth, if you have an address for Fr. Voigt, where support could be sent (spiritual, financial and otherwise) please feel free to post it here.


    I'll get hold of him and pass on your kind overtures.  I talk to Father on the phone pretty often.  We also have a physical address.  But, for obvious reasons, I hesitate to post it until we've talked to him.


    I'd like to help him out too. If that account is even partly true, it's still outrageous!


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     You have no idea how much damage is being inflicted upon the Resistance, by the scandals themselves (if true), but especially by the way they have been handled and broadcasted for a long time now.

     For Heaven's sake, how much more damage do you want to inflict ?

     Every crisis is an opportunity. Send your evidence to Bishop Williamson and petition him to show the world that he is not a hypocrite but instead that he has the guts to deal with real issues in his own backyard ! He is the ONLY ONE who has the moral authority to control the damage.


    Well, nobody still associates Pfeiffer with the Resistance and no one should...
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2015, 01:02:12 AM »
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  • I'm going to play "Fr. Pfeiffer advocate" for a minute here on this issue.

    It isn't a stretch to think that Father Pfeiffer works "paycheck to paycheck" as they say. One reason Fr. Hewko publicly stated for not announcing Masses ahead of time is that they never know if they'll have the funds to purchase the airline tickets. Now, while I think this is poor management on their part not to build up at least some reserve, there's nothing inherently wrong with spending your funds as fast as you get them.

    So, presuming he has no other sources of funds, he borrows $40,000 from Fr. Voigt, his mother, and the woman in CA. Presumably, he spends it all as that is how he operates. Now, the stock check comes in and is only $25,000 as the woman in CA kept the $6,000 she had forwarded to Father. So, you're basically broke, you owe $34,000 to two people and you have a $25,000 check in hand. What do you do?

    If it were me, at this point I'd probably start making payments to each of them while still keeping my operation afloat. Or, I've seen others who will go to another person and borrow what they owe to the first just to keep things moving and everyone happy.

    Clearly, Father Pfeiffer didn't make the right choice in this one, as this might have been the proverbial back-breaking straw. However, this seems to me to be overall poor money management (being unrealistic about how much you can afford to borrow) rather than outright theft, especially as this all transpired over a period of months and not years. Hopefully he still intends to repay Fr. Voigt. A good-faith payment on the amount borrowed and we probably wouldn't be talking about this now.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2015, 01:11:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: Croixalist
    Well, nobody still associates Pfeiffer with the Resistance and no one should...


    'no one should' you said ? Based on what ? Coffee grinds ? The stock market ? Waggling tongues ?

    Since when has the Church become a democracy, where our clergy are put on a public trial ? Where each and every court jester can do his part in throwing some rotten fruit at the accused ? And when enough wolves start howling then the accused 'must be' guilty and lynched on the spot. Fools !

    Last time I checked my catechism, it talked about the Church being a hierarchy, about fraternal correction, about avoiding scandal, about slander/defamation/detraction being a sin. About taking your grievances 'to the Church'.

    And no, we're not talking about public heresy which can and must be publicly corrected, we're talking about private matters, which must not and can not be judged by the mob, no matter how many skilled agitators you can summon.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 01, 2015, 01:15:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    I'm going to play "Fr. Pfeiffer advocate" for a minute here on this issue.

    It isn't a stretch to think that Father Pfeiffer works "paycheck to paycheck" as they say. One reason Fr. Hewko publicly stated for not announcing Masses ahead of time is that they never know if they'll have the funds to purchase the airline tickets. Now, while I think this is poor management on their part not to build up at least some reserve, there's nothing inherently wrong with spending your funds as fast as you get them.

    So, presuming he has no other sources of funds, he borrows $40,000 from Fr. Voigt, his mother, and the woman in CA. Presumably, he spends it all as that is how he operates. Now, the stock check comes in and is only $25,000 as the woman in CA kept the $6,000 she had forwarded to Father. So, you're basically broke, you owe $34,000 to two people and you have a $25,000 check in hand. What do you do?

    If it were me, at this point I'd probably start making payments to each of them while still keeping my operation afloat. Or, I've seen others who will go to another person and borrow what they owe to the first just to keep things moving and everyone happy.

    Clearly, Father Pfeiffer didn't make the right choice in this one, as this might have been the proverbial back-breaking straw. However, this seems to me to be overall poor money management (being unrealistic about how much you can afford to borrow) rather than outright theft, especially as this all transpired over a period of months and not years. Hopefully he still intends to repay Fr. Voigt. A good-faith payment on the amount borrowed and we probably wouldn't be talking about this now.


    This is indeed what goes on in a fair trial, no matter how 'unlikeable' the accused .

    Good on you for daring to speak against the mob !

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    « Reply #12 on: October 01, 2015, 01:18:18 AM »
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  • Nobody,

    What do you see as within Bp Williamson's ability, that would resolve this situation if this had all been presented to him rather than "the mob".*

    We already know that he won't go to Boston, KY and it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that he gave them his reasons and time to correct the issues before taking that stand.

    What else should he do?



    *I do believe all of this has made it to Bp Williamson's ear one way or another, but that is only a guess.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 01, 2015, 01:21:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nobody
    Quote from: Croixalist
    Well, nobody still associates Pfeiffer with the Resistance and no one should...


    'no one should' you said ? Based on what ? Coffee grinds ? The stock market ? Waggling tongues ?

    Since when has the Church become a democracy, where our clergy are put on a public trial ? Where each and every court jester can do his part in throwing some rotten fruit at the accused ? And when enough wolves start howling then the accused 'must be' guilty and lynched on the spot. Fools !

    Last time I checked my catechism, it talked about the Church being a hierarchy, about fraternal correction, about avoiding scandal, about slander/defamation/detraction being a sin. About taking your grievances 'to the Church'.

    And no, we're not talking about public heresy which can and must be publicly corrected, we're talking about private matters, which must not and can not be judged by the mob, no matter how many skilled agitators you can summon.


    Nah, only based off eyewitness accounts. From my own observation of his public actions both in person as he flubs the Mass and on youtube as he slanders every resistance priest not under his ever-expanding cassock.

    Pfeiffer's had it coming for a long time. But then again, nobody cares right?
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 01, 2015, 01:45:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Nobody,

    What do you see as within Bp Williamson's ability, that would resolve this situation if this had all been presented to him rather than "the mob".*

    We already know that he won't go to Boston, KY and it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that he gave them his reasons and time to correct the issues before taking that stand.

    What else should he do?



    *I do believe all of this has made it to Bp Williamson's ear one way or another, but that is only a guess.


    H.E. is honest, experienced, has the courage to speak unpopular words, has moral authority and he is our bishop.

    If he were to gather and judge the evidence and publicly pronounce his findings, many (including I) will consider it as God's will and avoid the accused, if found guilty. At the least, confusion and scandal will be limited.

    I believe this is how the Church has always proceeded in these matters and how the Saints have always submitted their own judgement to the Church. Padre Pio is one example that comes to mind.

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    "But if any man have not care of his own and especially of those of his house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel."