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Offline George Tautkus

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« on: May 05, 2015, 08:04:34 AM »
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  • Here's a new comic I made. Let me know what you think about it. There are more here:

    http://tautkusstudio.com/pb/wp_8bec74cf/wp_8bec74cf.html

    and here is the blog:

    http://www.livesofthes.blogspot.com

    Thanks!

















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    « Reply #1 on: May 08, 2015, 11:26:45 AM »
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  • The artwork is profoundly ugly. It reminds me of an even more crude version of some of the ugliness-celebrating degenerate works of comic "art" that my godless contemporaries pushed on me back in my own godless college days (pretentious trash like From Hell and the excreable h0Ɩ0h0αx propaganda piece Maus come immediately to mind).

    Now, to be clear, I'm not condemning the content of your work - it seems your intentions are good. But good intentions do not compensate for such a bad execution. I'd say a combination of a poor grasp on the basics of anatomy, perspective, lighting and shading, composition, etc. as well as over-exposure to bad comic book art have conspired to render your skills insufficient to tackle sacred material - which, of its very nature, is deserving of a much, much higher pedigree of artist. I say this as someone with a smiliar background. While I am, to be frank, a considerably better draughtsman than you, I am still hampered by an imperfect grasp of the science of creating naturalistic art. And I too exposed myself in my impressionable youth to too much bad art (McFarlane, Liefeld, and the like), and thus to this day find those tendencies almost impossible to shake. As a result, I never dare to attempt sacred art. I know I'm out of my depth and so I'm satisfied to leave it to those with greater skill and talent and training.

    Look at the Catholic comics of yesteryear - like Treasure Chest. The guys who drew those stories (Joe Orlando, Reed Crandall, etc) were old school commercial artists who were well trained in the basics. While not great artists of the classical kind in any sense, they were very skilled draughtsmen, light years ahead of you and me - and so were up to the task of creating, if not works of transcendent beauty, at least pleasant-looking images. Ugly-looking sacral art is in no short supply - just take a gander at any Novus Ordo "seasonal missalette" or even at the "devotional art" in some of the hideous NO churches. There's no reason for trads to adopt or contribute to this lamentable trend.

    Keep practicing, try to master the fundamentals and expose yourself to good art. But I'd recommend not publishing any attempts at "Catholic comics" or any other works of devotional art if the execution is going to be this poor.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2015, 05:58:21 PM »
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  • Though agreeing with your evaluation, BTNYC, the technique need not be naturalistic or accurate in lighting and shading, perspective, anatomy, and so on, to have a gravity and clarity worthy of sacred subject matter. Look at almost any medieval illumination - those of Hildegard of Bingen, for instance, though it wouldn't be difficult to find examples of non-naturalistic representations in stained glass or sculpture. I'm sure you know what I mean; but I never knew you had any personal interest in art, and I'd like to hear you expand on what you've said already.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2015, 12:52:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: Graham
    Though agreeing with your evaluation, BTNYC, the technique need not be naturalistic or accurate in lighting and shading, perspective, anatomy, and so on, to have a gravity and clarity worthy of sacred subject matter. Look at almost any medieval illumination - those of Hildegard of Bingen, for instance, though it wouldn't be difficult to find examples of non-naturalistic representations in stained glass or sculpture. I'm sure you know what I mean; but I never knew you had any personal interest in art, and I'd like to hear you expand on what you've said already.


    You're quite right, of course... And one might well add eastern iconography to the list. Not naturalistic, strictly speaking, in the post-renaissance understanding of the term, but I wouldn't hesitate to say that those artists were still striving for (and achieved) a "naturalism" of a sort. Those works are still beautiful - harmonious, balanced, dignified, and exceedingly well-composed - despite the artists' not yet having discovered more advanced techniques of reproducing how the eye perceives nature (foreshortening, a thorough knowledge of anatomy, etc.). As such, I'd heartily recommend study of those older styles to students of art who struggle with those advanced techniques. The OP might greatly benefit from such study.

    My own background in art is not much to speak of. As I mentioned, I honed my skills (such as they were) by studying comic books - specifically the trash that was on the newsstands in the late 80's and early 90's (quite possibly the nadir of that already very low art form). I attended a high school here in New York that specialized in commercial art and which had churned out a few well-known comic book artists in its long history. Sadly, however, by the time I was a student there, the old methods of training - which treated commercial art like the skilled trade it once was - were all but extinct. A decidedly hippieish atmosphere prevailed, which treated any stupid scribbling as "artistic expression" and little to no actual training in actual techniques occurred. And no one needed that kind of discipline more than the undisciplined doodlers that made up the student body - myself as much as anyone else.

    In college, I'd abandoned art in favor of electronic music, in which I achieved some small measure of success. But the less said about that, the better. Suffice it to say that, after college, I had my reversion back to the Faith (or rather a conversion, since I never really had the Catholic Faith, properly speaking, to begin with). I abandoned the music as being incompatible with the Faith (which it was), and, after a few years of struggling to undo decades of bad influence on my draughtsmanship (and my lack of formal training) - which consisted mainly in studying the works of the Renaissance and Pre-Raphaelite masters, as well as reprints of art instruction books by commercial art old timers like Jack Hamm and Andrew Loomis, I found myself not particularly enjoying drawing anymore. Soon afterward, I was gainfully employed in a "normal" job and then married and a father, and all of that put an end to all of my "serious" artistic pursuits.

    I never developed the skill necessary to tackle the monumental task of depicting Our Lord, Our Lady and the Saints, so I never dared to seriously attempt it. So, now, drawing has become for me what it was when I was a small boy - simply a fun and relaxing pastime; and something that I am at least skilled enough in to pass down to my children. And, if they show both the ability and the inclination to pursue it, I shall not make the mistake of allowing them to develop their skills by imitating bad art.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2015, 05:19:09 AM »
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  • Some other aspects that add to the beauty of the kind of religious art that's usually immediately recognized as appropriately uplifting for the subject matter are the materials used - gold leaf, for example - and the intricate ornamentation. Stained glass windows have the benefit of sunlight to illuminate them.
    What return shall I make to the Lord for all the things that He hath given unto me?


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    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2015, 08:02:19 AM »
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  • I really enjoyed the comic. I'm glad it was made, and would love to see more. I think this would be a great tool for kids to read and learn with.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2015, 09:27:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    The artwork is profoundly ugly. It reminds me of an even more crude version of some of the ugliness-celebrating degenerate works of comic "art" that my godless contemporaries pushed on me back in my own godless college days (pretentious trash like From Hell and the excreable h0Ɩ0h0αx propaganda piece Maus come immediately to mind).

    Now, to be clear, I'm not condemning the content of your work - it seems your intentions are good. But good intentions do not compensate for such a bad execution. I'd say a combination of a poor grasp on the basics of anatomy, perspective, lighting and shading, composition, etc. as well as over-exposure to bad comic book art have conspired to render your skills insufficient to tackle sacred material - which, of its very nature, is deserving of a much, much higher pedigree of artist. I say this as someone with a smiliar background. While I am, to be frank, a considerably better draughtsman than you, I am still hampered by an imperfect grasp of the science of creating naturalistic art. And I too exposed myself in my impressionable youth to too much bad art (McFarlane, Liefeld, and the like), and thus to this day find those tendencies almost impossible to shake. As a result, I never dare to attempt sacred art. I know I'm out of my depth and so I'm satisfied to leave it to those with greater skill and talent and training.

    Look at the Catholic comics of yesteryear - like Treasure Chest. The guys who drew those stories (Joe Orlando, Reed Crandall, etc) were old school commercial artists who were well trained in the basics. While not great artists of the classical kind in any sense, they were very skilled draughtsmen, light years ahead of you and me - and so were up to the task of creating, if not works of transcendent beauty, at least pleasant-looking images. Ugly-looking sacral art is in no short supply - just take a gander at any Novus Ordo "seasonal missalette" or even at the "devotional art" in some of the hideous NO churches. There's no reason for trads to adopt or contribute to this lamentable trend.

    Keep practicing, try to master the fundamentals and expose yourself to good art. But I'd recommend not publishing any attempts at "Catholic comics" or any other works of devotional art if the execution is going to be this poor.

    Thanks for the advice! :smile:

    Oh, and thanks so much s2srea! I have many more on my blog and even more in the books I make.

    God bless you all!