... from the French once-Catholic newspaper, La Croix, 21/3/2015

"We appreciate the information released by the General House of the Society of St. Pius X, which is very clear," says Monsignor Guido Pozzo (Secretary of Ecclesia Dei). (...)

"Currently," adds Monsignor Guido Pozzo, the dialogue "continues" with the Society of St. Pius X. "Several meetings have been held and are planned with certain prelates to examine more deeply the problems that remain to be clarified, in a relationship of trust," says the secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, for whom, aside the remaining doctrinal difficulties, the problems are "internal to the Society."

"The Pope." says Pozzo, "is waiting for the SSPX to decide to enter (the Church), and we are always available, with a canonical project which is already known", namely the creation of a personal prelature. "We still need a little more time, he concludes, "for things to become clear internally (within the SSPX) and for Bishop Fellay to obtain a sufficiently broad consensus, before performing this action.

We see for whom the SSPX statement was crafted, to help resolve those internal problems in the Society, (read-those who are not anxious to surrender to the modernists)
This statement is crystal clear, the deal has been agreed to and is waiting for Bishop Fellay to manipulate the majority of the Society into following him into Conciliar Rome.

It is all in this short statement. All of the speculations answered.  No wonder Menzingen came right out of the corner ready to dance to the Roman hora.
Finish that seminary and the gate will close behind them.  All of that money and all of the hopes for Tradition, on an express cruise to the Mediterranean.

And there you have it! The culmination of the Krah-Fellay Initiative.

Shalom.............................

Matthew,

Pardon my drama, but this is a bombshell!

Exactly my take. That is what I was trying to say. It is the cat out of the bag. If true it shows that Bishop Fellay has been clearly not been telling the truth. They have agreed to some structure that will fall into place when the SSPX ducks are lined up. Rome does not want part, they want to co-opt and control all of Tradition so that it will no longer be a threat to the conciliar revolution.

Bishop Fellay knows the plan and is a willing co-conspiritor. He has been deceiving all of his potentially troublesome followers.

We are betrayed from within, and Pozzo confirms it. He clearly reveals that doctrine is no longer an issue, only some structural problems within the Society.

Menzingen gave up defending Tradition and doctrine a long time ago after succuмbing to prudential practicaria fever in 2012.

And you can bet that there are plenty of priests who know the score and yet remain silent.

There will soon be a vacuum, and it is time for the Brotherhood of Mary and Holy Restoration to come together and step into it. IMHO


Bombshell indeed!

... from the French once-Catholic newspaper, La Croix, 21/3/2015

"We appreciate the information released by the General House of the Society of St. Pius X, which is very clear," says Monsignor Guido Pozzo (Secretary of Ecclesia Dei). (...)

"Currently," adds Monsignor Guido Pozzo, the dialogue "continues" with the Society of St. Pius X. "Several meetings have been held and are planned with certain prelates to examine more deeply the problems that remain to be clarified, in a relationship of trust," says the secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, for whom, aside the remaining doctrinal difficulties, the problems are "internal to the Society."

"The Pope." says Pozzo, "is waiting for the SSPX to decide to enter (the Church), and we are always available, with a canonical project which is already known", namely the creation of a personal prelature. "We still need a little more time, he concludes, "for things to become clear internally (within the SSPX) and for Bishop Fellay to obtain a sufficiently broad consensus, before performing this action.

That is exactly what we need to remember when we are talking about abandoning the SSPX. Think of who we are abandoning it to. If there were no resistance inside the SSPX, there would be no question that it would already have been swallowed up by the false Rome.

The other day someone said how the SSPX was not special. Well, it was very special. Just as special as its founder was. We should fight for it. And I am not saying do not attend resistance Masses, either. But we should be praying very hard for the Society to resist the false Rome. The attitude I see very often is just the opposite. Almost as if many in the resistance hate the Society and are hoping for it to fail. I am an old trad from Archbishop Lefebvre's time. I consider myself a Lefebvrist, if there is such a thing, dyed in the wool. His position is mine and I love the SSPX as I love him. That "internal to the Society" problem that Msgr. Pozzo refers to, will not exist anymore if everyone who feels like I do leaves the Society at this time. As a Third Order member of the Society, I say no to the new Rome, no deal, no accepting the NO as legitimate, no new code of canon law, no new Sacraments and rites of exorcism, no hermeneutic of continuity! Every one of my daily Masses is a resistance Mass even though it is in a Society chapel. Archbishop Lefebvre was the founder of the resistance and after God and Our Lady, it is he that I beg to help us in this situation.

If a deal is made, then all bets are off. God forbid it.

The other day someone said how the SSPX was not special. Well, it was very special. Just as special as its founder was. We should fight for it. And I am not saying do not attend resistance Masses, either. But we should be praying very hard for the Society to resist the false Rome. The attitude I see very often is just the opposite. Almost as if many in the resistance hate the Society and are hoping for it to fail. I am an old trad from Archbishop Lefebvre's time. I consider myself a Lefebvrist, if there is such a thing, dyed in the wool. His position is mine and I love the SSPX as I love him. That "internal to the Society" problem that Msgr. Pozzo refers to, will not exist anymore if everyone who feels like I do leaves the Society at this time. As a Third Order member of the Society, I say no to the new Rome, no deal, no accepting the NO as legitimate, no new code of canon law, no new Sacraments and rites of exorcism, no hermeneutic of continuity!

Maybe you're on to something here.

I don't share the "down with the SSPX!" mentality myself. I'm saddened by its current leadership and direction, and I don't hold much (human) hope for THOSE individuals -- but I realize than when the SSPX is fully regularized it will be a great blow to Tradition. Some people forget this, and feign like they "don't care" -- like a child who's emotionally stinging from betrayal by his mother and/or father.

I'm not rooting for any kind of evil. Charity rejoices in the truth, not in destruction of something that was formerly good. The DEVIL is rejoicing as the Neo-SSPX falls apart. I certainly won't be.

"Serves 'em right!" is not a Catholic attitude.

I'm running my Independent chapel (which doubles as a Resistance chapel), planning for the worst -- but in the meantime I'm staying charitable and friendly with my local SSPX chapel and priest, as well as availing myself of the Mass and sacraments that chapel provides -- for myself and my growing family. Though I'll admit -- my chapel (and the priest there) is one of the good ones. Our priest hasn't done anything different, nor does he desire reconciliation with neo-modernist Rome.

... from the French once-Catholic newspaper, La Croix, 21/3/2015

"We appreciate the information released by the General House of the Society of St. Pius X, which is very clear," says Monsignor Guido Pozzo (Secretary of Ecclesia Dei). (...)

"Currently," adds Monsignor Guido Pozzo, the dialogue "continues" with the Society of St. Pius X. "Several meetings have been held and are planned with certain prelates to examine more deeply the problems that remain to be clarified, in a relationship of trust," says the secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, for whom, aside the remaining doctrinal difficulties, the problems are "internal to the Society."

"The Pope." says Pozzo, "is waiting for the SSPX to decide to enter (the Church), and we are always available, with a canonical project which is already known", namely the creation of a personal prelature. "We still need a little more time, he concludes, "for things to become clear internally (within the SSPX) and for Bishop Fellay to obtain a sufficiently broad consensus, before performing this action.

Do you have a link in English for this?  There are some who will not believe unless they can read the original.

Quote from: Orinoco

... from the French once-Catholic newspaper, La Croix, 21/3/2015

"We appreciate the information released by the General House of the Society of St. Pius X, which is very clear," says Monsignor Guido Pozzo (Secretary of Ecclesia Dei). (...)

"Currently," adds Monsignor Guido Pozzo, the dialogue "continues" with the Society of St. Pius X. "Several meetings have been held and are planned with certain prelates to examine more deeply the problems that remain to be clarified, in a relationship of trust," says the secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, for whom, aside the remaining doctrinal difficulties, the problems are "internal to the Society."

"The Pope." says Pozzo, "is waiting for the SSPX to decide to enter (the Church), and we are always available, with a canonical project which is already known", namely the creation of a personal prelature. "We still need a little more time, he concludes, "for things to become clear internally (within the SSPX) and for Bishop Fellay to obtain a sufficiently broad consensus, before performing this action.

That is exactly what we need to remember when we are talking about abandoning the SSPX. Think of who we are abandoning it to. If there were no resistance inside the SSPX, there would be no question that it would already have been swallowed up by the false Rome.

The other day someone said how the SSPX was not special. Well, it was very special. Just as special as its founder was. We should fight for it. And I am not saying do not attend resistance Masses, either. But we should be praying very hard for the Society to resist the false Rome. The attitude I see very often is just the opposite. Almost as if many in the resistance hate the Society and are hoping for it to fail. I am an old trad from Archbishop Lefebvre's time. I consider myself a Lefebvrist, if there is such a thing, dyed in the wool. His position is mine and I love the SSPX as I love him. That "internal to the Society" problem that Msgr. Pozzo refers to, will not exist anymore if everyone who feels like I do leaves the Society at this time. As a Third Order member of the Society, I say no to the new Rome, no deal, no accepting the NO as legitimate, no new code of canon law, no new Sacraments and rites of exorcism, no hermeneutic of continuity! Every one of my daily Masses is a resistance Mass even though it is in a Society chapel. Archbishop Lefebvre was the founder of the resistance and after God and Our Lady, it is he that I beg to help us in this situation.

If a deal is made, then all bets are off. God forbid it.

I do appreciate your sentiments, however, We have not, and are not abandoning the Society to anyone.
The reality is that the Society has abandoned us, and has abandoned sound doctrine, and has abandoned true combat against the modernists.  If there is any true and general resistance in the Society, we have not seen enough of it to make any substantial course correction of its new orientation.  At some point when Bishop Fellay et al have captured as many followers as they deem possible, then they will accept their losses, (he has said as much), and move into the Roman/Conciliar establishment. They will move on and leave folks who are unaccepting, such as yourself, behind, and they will not speak of you, or treat you kindly.  The reality is that the Society that was, is no longer what it was, and much to much has changed for it to return to its former self.

There are too many priests who are of the new orientation. It would take a re-formation of each one, which is an impossible task.

The SSPX is now what it is, and the time is fast approaching when we all will have to either accept that or reject it. It is not coming back to us, or for us when the train to Modern Rome leaves Menzingen station.

It has been three years since the modernist Doctrinal Declaration. If the so called internal resistance has not shown its face by now and after ALL that has happened, then it must not be there. So many clerics could not be living a life opposed to the Archbishop's founding principles and mission for all of this time, and say or do nothing. They mostly know where the Superior General is taking them. It is very hard to believe that they will suddenly rise up and revolt when they arrive at the station that they knew all along that they were going to end up there.

The tide is ebbing in Menzingen. It will be soon, when we have to move, or be left stranded by the mutineers.

 

I think this is the original
http://www.la-croix.com/Urbi-et-Orbi/Actualite/Rome/Mgr-Williamson-est-excommunie-de-fait-apres-avoir-accompli-un-acte-illegitime-2015-03-20-1293394

Thank you!

That was the one -- here is the bombshell in the original French.  I know enough Latin to be able to understand most of it.

LE DIALOGUE CONTINUE ENTRE ROME ET LA FSSPX
Actuellement, confie par ailleurs Mgr Guido Pozzo, le dialogue « continue » avec la Fraternité sacerdotale Saint-Pie-X. « Plusieurs rencontres ont eu lieu et sont encore prévues avec certains prélats pour approfondir les problèmes qui restent à éclaircir, dans un rapport de confiance », poursuit le secrétaire de la Commission pontificale Ecclesia Dei pour qui, au-delà des difficultés doctrinales qui subsistent, les problèmes sont « internes à la fraternité ».

« Le pape, poursuit Mgr Pozzo, attend que la Fraternité Saint-Pie-X décide d’entrer (dans l’Eglise) et nous sommes toujours disponibles, avec un projet canonique qui est déjà connu », à savoir la création d’une prélature personnelle. « Il faut un peu de temps, conclut-il, pour que les choses s’éclaircissent en interne et que Mgr Fellay puisse obtenir un consensus assez élargi avant d’accomplir ce geste ».