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BOMBSHELL Breaking News - Menzingen hires PR Firm
« on: June 07, 2013, 05:53:00 PM »
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  • This is the biggest news in months.

    Everything we've read about, seen or experienced all traces back to THIS ACTION by Bishop Fellay.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Key-sermon

    Apparently Bishop Fellay hired a secular PR firm, that specializes in "branding" corporations. This consultant's ideas about how to make the SSPX more popular with the masses has been the catalyst for the recent changes in the SSPX.

    It all comes together -- the new seminary, changes to Regina Caeli Report, Angelus, etc. the new "softer" attitude towards Rome, the desire to make a deal with Rome, the emphasis on "being positive" rather than FIGHTING modernism, the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, etc.

    It also explains the "secular style" PR tactics that Menzingen and the various Districts have been using in their media campaigns for the past 12 months. Staged interviews, "Against the Rumors", etc.

    This was all revealed in a sermon by Fr. Girouard.
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    BOMBSHELL Breaking News - Menzingen hires PR Firm
    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 05:57:08 PM »
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  • Wow.  Just wow.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    BOMBSHELL Breaking News - Menzingen hires PR Firm
    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 05:59:25 PM »
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  • This is clearly just one component of the plan of action of those behind the changes.

    Let's not forget GREC.  

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    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 06:01:27 PM »
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  • The orientation imposed by this PR firm and GREC are certainly on the same page.

    All the recent actions of the SSPX have been propelled by a 2-engine plane: the left engine is GREC, and the right engine is this "corporate branding" company.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 06:02:42 PM »
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  • The engines are more likely Judaism and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

    But yeah, as for putting the plan into action, calling an advertising firm makes perfect sense.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 06:07:42 PM »
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  • Maximilian on IA posted a great commentary:

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    One might be tempted at first glance to believe the position of tradical, johnmcfarland, et al that undertaking a PR makeover of the Society is not a betrayal of the founder and a betrayal of the fight to maintain the traditional Catholic Faith. A little more thought, however, reveals that this is in itself a complete and total betrayal.

    1. The project of presenting the Catholic Faith in a kindler, gentler manner with more positive spin -- hasn't that been tried before? Isn't that the essence of Vatican II. And isn't the very existence of the Society a rebuke and a refutation of that concept?

    Because the reality is that Vatican II did not fail because they chose the wrong words with which to present a new, kinder, gentler, more positive version of the Catholic Faith. The reality is that it is impossible to say the same thing with different words. When you use different words, then you say something else. The Catholic Faith has a well-developed vocabulary the grew organically over 2,000 years. Either you say those words or else you say something else, something that is not Catholic.

    The same with the SSPX. Either you use the words of Archbishop Lefebvre to denounce the errors of the Council and the New Mass and all the rest, or else you say something else, something that is not the message of the Society. There is no kinder, gentler, more positive way to say that the conciliar church is a total betrayal of Jesus Christ.

    2. The Bible is filled with so many stories to this effect, that it is almost as if it were written simply to convey this lesson -- that there is no kinder, gentler, more positive way to present the message of God.

    Think about Moses with the Israelites in the desert. Maybe if Moses had hired a PR firm then the Israelites would not have revolted and Moses wouldn't have had to slay thousands of them.

    What about Isaiah? If only he had hired a PR agency to help him deliver his message to the king in a kinder, gentler, more positive way, then he wouldn't have had to hide in a cave when he thought that he was the only faithful follower of God left on Earth. Although God told him that there were actually 7,000 who had not bent the knee to Baal, still it's clear that his preaching was not going over like hotcakes, more like lead balloons. A PR agency could have done so much to help him dress up God's warnings in a more user-friendly fashion.

    And then there's Jeremiah. If only he had hired a PR agency ahead of time he wouldn't have found himself down a well. His message was so not user friendly, so negative, so lacking in the new, fresh, hip, slick qualities that a PR agency could have helped him with, that his name is still synonymous almost 3,000 years later with downbeat, negative, unpopular messages.

    Jesus himself summed up the whole story of the Old Testament when he told the Jєωs that they persecuted and murdered all the prophets of God. Everyone who is speaking for God will be hated by the world. Isn't that what we are told over and over again? Isn't that the test of whether or not you are authentic?

    3. And then of course there is the most famous example in all the history of the world, Jesus Christ himself. I can just imagine Judas hiring a PR agency to advise him:

    "That stuff about feeding the poor -- that's good -- our polling shows that message is a real winner. But that other stuff about whited sepulchres and broods of vipers -- you have to eliminate that. Our polling shows that message isn't being received real well. In fact, it's generating so much negative reaction that you're going to find yourself in real hot water soon if you don't cut it out.

    "Healing the sick -- great! Stick with that! People love it."

    "All that stuff about 'I and the Father are one' -- that just goes right over people's heads. But they get a real negative vibe. Better to tone it down. Stop talking about yourself and talk more about your audience and how great they are and how much you love them and how they're all going to go to heaven after first making a lot of money here on Earth. That's what are polling is telling us is the right message to get your 'apostolate' back on track."

    4. And it's not just Jesus and the Bible which tells us that you cannot change your message without becoming a different organization. Any group which changes its message will become a totally different group.

    Imagine, for example, the Communist Party hiring a PR agency who tells them that this message about the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is not being well received. "We recommend that you offer people better interest rates on their credit cards -- that's what they're looking for in an economic message." Even an anti-Christian group like the Communist Party would be smart enough to realize that whether or not offering lower interest rates on your credit cards is a more popular message than Marxism, they would cease to be the Communist Party once they changed their message based on PR polling.

    5. Companies are in business to make money. That is their goal. If one business segment isn't working out very well, a PR agency can recommend a transformation into a different business that might make more money.

    But the Catholic Church exists solely for the purpose of telling the Truth. Truth doesn't change. If the truth is unpopular, the Catholic Church will be unpopular. Because the truth is real and exists whether or not anyone wants to hear about it, then there is no way for that message to be made kinder and gentler and more positive. Either it is proclaimed or else it is avoided. One can be like Jonah and take a ship in the opposite direction to avoid telling people what God wants them to hear, or else you can be like Christ and make a whip of cords to drive the moneychangers out of the Temple.

    But you cannot change the Truth and still claim to be the Catholic Church. That didn't work for the Conciliar Church which even this secular PR agency recognizes is a dying organization. And it won't work any better for the Society. Either they continue to proclaim the message that God wants people to hear by denouncing the works of Satan and all his pomps and all his empty promises which have deluded the members of the conciliar church for the past 50 years, or else they cease to be the organization that was founded by Archbishop Lefebvre to maintain the traditional Catholic Faith during this time of crisis.
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    BOMBSHELL Breaking News - Menzingen hires PR Firm
    « Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 06:09:18 PM »
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  • Regarding the re-branding of the SSPX:

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    Before all this branding or re-branding came about the man in charge of the Angelus, while it was still Catholic, was Rev. Fr. Kenneth Novak. Who btw is now stationed in the extremely difficult region of Mexico. An odd place to send a man with such volital health issues...never the less, in 2008 Fr. Heggenberger was sent to implement these new stratagems for the Angelus.

    He made it very clear he was not interested in the parish or giving one drop of himself to its growth---his words not mine. He had one assignment, or as he put it, one apostolate and one apostolate, only to revamp the Angelus. He mocked and ridiculed the way Fr. Novak had run it, saying we would no more have such things as calendars with pictures of Army chaplains. He complained that the Angelus had been run by "amateurs" and he was going to fix that.

    These things he said it directly to me. At the time I didn't fully understand what was going on but today, June 7th 2013 5 years later all the pieces of the puzzle begin to fall into place. It now makes sense.

    Thanks you Fr. Giroud for filling in the blanks.


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    An after thought, something at the time which puzzled me because I couldn't figure out why he had done it. We had a beautiful magazine rack at the back of the Church filled with all kinds of literature including some Angelus magazines which were for sale. He was not in the parish a week when every single piece of literature such as the old Angelus' and many other good books were stripped gone. I walked in to find the once full rack completely empty. None of those books or Angelus' could be found anywhere.
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    « Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 06:10:41 PM »
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  • I bet there is panic in Menzingen today, as they frantically call their "PR company" for advice on this latest PR disaster...

    God bless Fr. Girouard!
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    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 06:13:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    This is the biggest news in months.

    Everything we've read about, seen or experienced all traces back to THIS ACTION by Bishop Fellay.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Key-sermon

    Apparently Bishop Fellay hired a secular PR firm, that specializes in "branding" corporations. This consultant's ideas about how to make the SSPX more popular with the masses has been the catalyst for the recent changes in the SSPX.

    It all comes together -- the new seminary, changes to Regina Caeli Report, Angelus, etc. the new "softer" attitude towards Rome, the desire to make a deal with Rome, the emphasis on "being positive" rather than FIGHTING modernism, the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, etc.

    It also explains the "secular style" PR tactics that Menzingen and the various Districts have been using in their media campaigns for the past 12 months. Staged interviews, "Against the Rumors", etc.

    This was all revealed in a sermon by Fr. Girouard.

    Yes, and they have the millions of dollars "donated" to Menzingen from the philanthropist David Rockefeller to pay for it.  

    Hmm..., good timing, or a rat in the wheel?

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    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2013, 06:17:09 PM »
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  • Bombshell is right.

    Sadly, I don't anticipate this news changing many minds.  It's sickening, truly.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 06:21:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    Bombshell is right.

    Sadly, I don't anticipate this news changing many minds.  It's sickening, truly.


    Yes, it might not change many minds, but I'll say this:

    It will finish the job of separating the SHEEP from the GOATS.

    Not "the men from the boys" or something like that. I chose my metaphor carefully. What did Our Lord mean by "the sheep and the goats"?

    It's getting to where you're either gathering or scattering -- loving the Faith or loving the World. You can't have God and the World -- one must choose.

    If I were in the company of sailors (exclusively), I could express to you what I think of the world.

     :cussing:

    It would involve various colorful metaphors, and/or rude hand gestures.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 06:24:30 PM »
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  • That's a great treating of the issue by Maximillian.  Thanks.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 06:25:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Regarding the re-branding of the SSPX:

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    Before all this branding or re-branding came about the man in charge of the Angelus, while it was still Catholic, was Rev. Fr. Kenneth Novak. ...never the less, in 2008 Fr. Heggenberger was sent to implement these new stratagems for the Angelus.

    He made it very clear he was not interested in the parish or giving one drop of himself to its growth---his words not mine. He had one assignment, or as he put it, one apostolate and one apostolate, only to revamp the Angelus. He mocked and ridiculed the way Fr. Novak had run it, saying we would no more have such things as calendars with pictures of Army chaplains. He complained that the Angelus had been run by "amateurs" and he was going to fix that.

    These things he said it directly to me. At the time I didn't fully understand what was going on but today, June 7th 2013 5 years later all the pieces of the puzzle begin to fall into place. It now makes sense.

    Thanks you Fr. Giroud for filling in the blanks.


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    An after thought, something at the time which puzzled me because I couldn't figure out why he had done it. We had a beautiful magazine rack at the back of the Church filled with all kinds of literature including some Angelus magazines which were for sale. He was not in the parish a week when every single piece of literature such as the old Angelus' and many other good books were stripped gone. I walked in to find the once full rack completely empty. None of those books or Angelus' could be found anywhere.


    Yes, and I also saw this on the other thread:

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    At the Angelus Press conference a few years ago, whose topic was "Archbishop Lefebvre", Fr. Kenneth Novak started his talk in his usual humorous way.  He had an article about how KFC thought they needed to re-familiarize their customers with Colonel Sanders, because the younger generation didn't know him. It all had to do with re-branding.  And Fr. Novak said, we have to do the same with Archbishop Lefebvre, to remind the younger generation what he was all about.  "He's our brand!!" Fr Novak said.   Makes me think he knew about this re-branding business then.  Does anyone have the audio of that conference?  Because I wonder if that comment survived the censors.  Fr. Novak's talk was only made available later, because they wanted to censor out some comments he made, because they didn't meet with the newSSPX's approval.  It would be interesting to know if the KFC/"Brand!" comments are still in.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 06:27:22 PM »
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    That's a great treating of the issue by Maximillian.  Thanks.


    I certainly thought so.  Very well-written, easy to read, persuasive, and makes tons of killer points. Probably took him hours to write.

    I HAD to re-post it.

    The man must be ridiculously intelligent as well as wise.  Look how he ends it:

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    But you cannot change the Truth and still claim to be the Catholic Church. That didn't work for the Conciliar Church which even this secular PR agency recognizes is a dying organization. And it won't work any better for the Society. Either they continue to proclaim the message that God wants people to hear by denouncing the works of Satan and all his pomps and all his empty promises which have deluded the members of the conciliar church for the past 50 years, or else they cease to be the organization that was founded by Archbishop Lefebvre to maintain the traditional Catholic Faith during this time of crisis.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 06:39:51 PM »
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  • Bp. Fellay must have departed the Catholic faith long before selling us out--literally, as we now discover.  One doesn't just get out of bed in the morning and decide to sell the souls entrusted to his care.  Sad, yes.  Surprising?  No.  The Church will always consist of wheat and tares.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.