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Offline Nadir

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Organ Donation email received from Randy Engel
« on: August 26, 2012, 07:07:42 PM »
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  • I thought this would interest some members:

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    Catholics testify to benefits of organ donation   Our Sunday Visitor [owned by the Legionnaires of Christ] has a poll on vital organ donation. OSV also has a 4 page promotion of vital organ transplantation.
    Please vote NO on poll and get others to do the same. Thanks Randy Engel, US Coalition for Life


    go to http://www.osv.com/tabid/7621/itemid/9775/Catholics-testify-to-benefits-of-organ-donation.aspx
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    Organ Donation email received from Randy Engel
    « Reply #1 on: August 26, 2012, 07:47:27 PM »
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  • I don't know, one must be careful. In this day & age the consequences of being taken to a hospital after an accident &c., & having them find out that you're worth more money dead than alive may well be........extremely unpleasant let us say.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 12:04:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cuthbert
    I don't know, one must be careful. In this day & age the consequences of being taken to a hospital after an accident &c., & having them find out that you're worth more money dead than alive may well be........extremely unpleasant let us say.


    More than unpleasant! It could be deadly.

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    Dear Friends - The Legion owns the National Catholic Register, not the OSV as stated in the organ donation memo I recently sent out. Sorry for this error and any inconvenience it might have caused. Randy Engel
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    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 07:04:59 AM »
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  • Hospitals are indeed scary business; lest we forget Hospice!

    Q: Does an autopsy have be performed, for example, by the hospital where a person "died" or can an individual/family member appoint who they wish? You catch my drift, here.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 03:10:40 PM »
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  • so, no on all accounts or verify, do due diligence?
    same could be then said for other things.......
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    « Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 05:36:56 PM »
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    so, no on all accounts or verify, do due diligence?
    same could be then said for other things.......


    The stories here show that every case is different. However it is impossible to transplant a heart from a person who is dead. The "donor" must be living, the heart must be beating and stopped.

    Stopping a heart means killing the donor.

    The danger, and the evil, is that the "health authorities" and "harvesters" always portray organ donation in a positive fashion. That means having to keep people ignorant, so they won't say NO. It will make them feel good.

    Alarm bells start ringing when you hear "brain death". Check out "Brain death is not death"
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    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 07:29:45 AM »
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  • the heart and other organs have limited time after death to be taken out and either transplanted or, packed in ice and even then, limited time-hearts on ice need to be planted less then 5 hrs or its worthless. ALso, through machinery, can keep the body "alive" and functioning for limited time to do surgeries.

    So no, from all I have seen and read to date-wrong or right-not every organ is ripped out of a living person, nor said person murdered........

    if I expire, flat line and cannot be brought back after awhile, they call it.......then surgery could happen.....

    the issue is that docs have to do everything possible to save lives and not take them for organs or other.......that is the crux, organs can be donated only after all means to preserve life are exhausted......

    again, stopping organ donation entirely is rather radical and not fully based on irrefutable data....

    again, next, do we stop blood donations as the blood could be misused, manipulated? Do we stop donating blood if somehow, it could be used to clone?

    then what?

    seems a bit at this point too much unanswered and up in the air.....much more study needed.....
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    « Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 09:24:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    the heart and other organs have limited time after death to be taken out and either transplanted or, packed in ice and even then, limited time-hearts on ice need to be planted less then 5 hrs or its worthless. ALso, through machinery, can keep the body "alive" and functioning for limited time to do surgeries.

    So no, from all I have seen and read to date-wrong or right-not every organ is ripped out of a living person, nor said person murdered........

    if I expire, flat line and cannot be brought back after awhile, they call it.......then surgery could happen.....

    the issue is that docs have to do everything possible to save lives and not take them for organs or other.......that is the crux, organs can be donated only after all means to preserve life are exhausted......

    again, stopping organ donation entirely is rather radical and not fully based on irrefutable data....

    again, next, do we stop blood donations as the blood could be misused, manipulated? Do we stop donating blood if somehow, it could be used to clone?

    then what?

    seems a bit at this point too much unanswered and up in the air.....much more study needed.....


    Belloc, if machinery, can keep the body "alive" then that “body” belongs to a living person. If you are kept alive you are not dead. It is not the body that is being kept alive but the person. We must be adamant about not de”person”alising the sick/injured human being.

    When there is harvesting of multiple organs, the heart is always the last to be taken. There is a reason for that – it is because the heart, by doing its regular job, is keeping the other organs healthy, for the benefit of another person. That other person does not have a RIGHT to the organ. The sick/injured does have a right to his organs, especially seeing he is alive.

    I did not say  every organ is ripped out of a living person .
    There are organs which can be taken, with the permission of the donor, without killing the donor. I have a friend who donated one of his kidneys to his sister, who lived in reasonable health for many years (R.I.P.) and my friend still lives a very full and fruitful life.

    Eyes and certain tissues and certain organs can be donated after true death.

    Another friend was in a coma after surgery. Doctors diagnosed her as "brain-dead", pestered her husband, and made it very difficult for him, simply because she had a good supply of “spare parts”. He was adamant that he would not “donate” any of her “parts”. Eventually she either rose from the dead, or she recovered (depending on where you were looking from) and went on to open a craft shop in our town.

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    the issue is that docs have to do everything possible to save lives and not take them for organs or other.......that is the crux, organs can be donated only after all means to preserve life are exhausted......


    The crux is one thing, the reality is another. No, organs can be donated only after the donor is dead. That’s not exactly as you have expressed it.

    I did not advocate, stopping organ donation entirely nor has the idea even crossed my mind.

    As for stopping blood donations why do you need to fabricate this balderdash? Just what is your point?

    much more study needed.....
    Yes indeed! You could start here:
    http://www.lifeguardianfoundation.org/
    http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/OrganDonorsBeware.htm

    Oh, by the way, did you check out the sites I gave in the earlier post?
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