Caraffa
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| stevusmagnus said: | | Fr. C said: | | "I completed the article on March 25,2006. I noticed later that this date was the fifteenth anniversary of Archbishop Lefebvre ’s death. This I considered providential, because the Archbishop himself had personally told me in the 1970s that he considered the new rite of episcopal consecration invalid" |
Any more details or evidence of this? Did ABL ever state this in any of his writings? |
Archbishop Lefebvre considered the the new rites (mass, priestly ordination, bishop consecration) to be valid but illicit. That is my position at the current time as well since the new rite of episcopal consecration is similar, if not identical to St. Hippolytus' rite. However, it is illicit because this new rite commits the error of archaeologism as condemned by previous popes.
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"The dauntless will have to forge ahead alone; in old pagan Rome, the first Christians also had to abstain from participating in the feasts and meetings of their fellow citizens. Perhaps the new paganism can only be vanquished by such sacrifices. Nevertheless: Nolite timere, pusillus grex, quia placuit Patri vestro dare vobis regnum" (Luke 12:32).-The future Cardinal Von Galen, October 1926.
"For Catholics to follow their times is a disgrace, worse than that of a king abdicating his kingship. How can such (liberal) Catholics be taken seriously? Either they will come back to the fullness of their Faith or they will go over to the enemies of the Faith, but they cannot remain suspended in between."- Louis Veuillot
"Instaurare Omnia In Christo."-St. Pius X
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| Posted Jul 31, 2012, 4:37 am |
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stevusmagnus
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Caraffa,
What of Fr. C's response to this argument in the original link:
| Quote: | | (3) Various ancient texts (Hippolytus, the Apostolic Constitutions, and the Tes- tament of Our Lord) share some common elements with the Paul VI consecration Preface that surrounds the new form, and the Angelus article cites these as evidence to support the argument that the new rite is valid. But these texts have all been “re- constructed,” are of questionable origin, may not represent actual liturgical use, or pose other problems. There is no evidence that they were sacramental forms “ ac- cepted and used by the Church as such” — a criterion Pius XII’s constitution on Holy Orders lays down. Thus these texts provide no reliable evidence to support the argument for the validity of the Paul VI form. |
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"The heresy which is now being born will become the most dangerous of all; the exaggeration of the respect due to the Pope and the illegitimate extension of his infallibility.” Fr. Le Floch, superior of the French Seminary in Rome, 1926.
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| Posted Jul 31, 2012, 5:32 am |
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Viva Cristo Rey
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Also, most of these new bishops liberal and sinful. Condoning, lying up sexual abuse by clergy is a sin against God and it is not Catholic. Closing down Catholic Schools and Churches is not Catholic.....
Valid or not, most aren't Catholic. Most are evil liberal imposters who serve their own personal pleasures and gains instead of God.
They are nothing like Saint John Neumann Bishop of Philadelphia or Cardinal Mindszenty.
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To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story! (unknown)
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| Posted Jul 31, 2012, 11:23 am |
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