John Grace
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Fr Cekada posted the following
His own observations
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10172
| Quote: | | This makes some interesting points. The bottom line seems to be: The bottom line: Bp. Fellay will win the internal power struggle over the accord; even though there has been vocal internal opposition, if +Fellay signs, few members will leave; the various zig-zags of the past few weeks were merely a way of preparing people for the accord, which is more or less a done deal. |
Then the link he makes reference to. (French)
http://tradinews.blogspot.com/2012/07/spo-...s-rebelles.html
My own view is this General Chapter will be a non event and a deal is inevitable. It's a matter of time. The deal appears off for now but Father Cekada is correct in some ways.
The majority of priests stationed in Ireland are pro-agreement. Few members will leave.Few laity will leave for two reasons.
Firstly, we are dealing with very small numbers. Some Irish chapels have a few dozen people attending. The SSPX have lost chapels in Ireland instead of gaining chapels.
Secondly, people have attended these chapels for decades and invested thousands of punt and now euro. They will hardly give them up without a fight. It will be inevitable if a deal is signed, Diocesan Bishops will be brought in for confirmations etc etc.
It is beyond doubt the SSPX have been preparing the flock for a deal.
Ireland has been a country that has suited both Indult (Summorum Pontificum) and the SSPX. No real Independent chapels have emerged.
The SSPX need to remain independent of Rome and local Bishops. To be absorbed into NewChurch would mean all their apostolate would of been in vain.
It's worrying to think of a scenario of the likes of Bishop Williamson being expelled yet some pro-sodomite Bishop, a self style 'friend of the extra ordinary form' being brought in to a Society chapel for confirmations.
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| Posted Jul 9, 2012, 2:48 pm |
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John Grace
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Michael Wilson posted the following.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10172
| Quote: | Essentially the article is stating that +Fellay still desires to make a deal with Rome; that the two moves that he recently made: 1. The excluding of +Williamson from the G.C. and not ordaining the members of the religious orders opposed to the deal 2. The rejecting of the last proposed preamble. Where just manouvers to appease Rome by the first and the SSPX priests and faithful by the Second.
But all in the name of preparing everyone for an eventual accord.
That +Fellay has the backing of enough of the members of the G.C. To resist any move to remove him.
The article goes on to state that there is about 2/3 of the members that are in favor of an accord and about 1/3 opposed. That even if an accord is signed, very few of the "hard liners" will actually leave; and they quote as evidence Fr. Xavier Beauvais, who stated that: "I am against an agreement but that I wouldn't go against an agreement" |
I don't believe Dawn Marie in relation to this
| Quote: | It's called propaganda by LaCroix.
They know the General Chapter began today. This looks like they want to sway it's outcome, much like politicians and media outlets do here in the states before and during elections.
Hopefully whatever emerges from this General Chapter will be that which is most pleasing to Our Lord and Our Lady, nothing more nothing less.
As an aside, last I heard, Father's Nely and Phluger were no longer in agreement with +Fellay on an agreement.
Let's hope they keep that stand. |
With the 'Williamson Affair' and with 'Krahgate' it became obvious the 'hard liners' are few and far between.
A deal is a reality and resisting clerics will be expelled. Of course Bishop Fellay still desires a deal with Rome.
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| Posted Jul 9, 2012, 4:02 pm |
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J.Paul
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John,
You are probably right about the chapter. Judging from Bishop Fellay's recent, and not so recent, actions,I do not think he would have allowed the Chapter if he was in any peril and its end was not a foregone conclusion. As was floated before ,they are likely to announce the structure and terms of the agreement, not debate it.
But one must pause to remember the statements and activities of Bishops Mueller, and DiNoia. How does Bishop Fellay get around it when they have truly blown away any cover or ambiquity surrounding Rome's intentions to reconfigure the Society? It seems that it will be much harder, if not impossible, to convince priests who are wavering and concerned that it would be a good thing to move forward. But the current crop of priests has been conditioned to this over the last ten years.
I would also think that some opposers might have kept quite so as not to be excluded from the Chapter? However, Bishop Fellay could simply refuse to acknowledge the Chapter's authority to deny his power to do as he wills.
That being in accordance with the groundwork of statements claiming his sole authority within the Society.
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| Posted Jul 9, 2012, 4:07 pm |
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