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There was no meeting between Pius XII & S Alinsky
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No one has ever presented Any evidence from the Bible, a Pope, Church Council, Father, Doctor, Saint, historian, INQ, Bps Pastoral Letter, nor Catholic Encyclopedia or Dictionary that there is or ever has been such a person as a 'sede vacantist' or a state of affairs known as 'sede vacantism' before the V2 era.
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| Posted Jul 8, 2012, 6:02 pm |
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Pope Paul VI's interest in Marxism seems to have quite a history. It has been said and reported that he was found to be continually reading and passing out Marxist literature within the Roman seminaries and then he arranged a secret meeting with Russian/Communists without the permission of Pope Pius XII. When Pius found out it is rumored that he gave then Cardinal Montini 48 hour to clear himself out of the Vatican and Rome and was banished to a remote See in Italy. John Paul himself was seen publically often reading Marxist literature,so we see that the infiltration of Modernism/Marxism via the real culprits Judeo/Freemasonry.
Again, we may recall the 1968 raid on the P2 Masonic Lodge in Rome by the authorities wherein they discovered and published the names of over 100 Cardinals/Bishops and clergy of high rank who had been initiated into the Masonic Lodge, with their given initiation names and dates. Twice more before 2000 the same P2 Lodge was raided for different reasons and each time was discovered names of many of the hierarchy that were secretly initiated into Freemasonry. A recent Italian Illuminati, who claims that he was a member of several lodges and of high rank, has revealed that there is a "very secret" members list of hight ranking Freemasons within the Curia that is kept very secret and accessible by very few. That Judeo/Freemasonry is entrenched withing the Church is a forgone conclusion. The aim of Judeo/Freemasonry was to destroy the faith but not the legislative or the operating structure of the Church but rather to use the Church, blind obedience and ecumenism to form the one world church. Pope Benedict not long ago opined that we should have a one world religion, government, and new order.
Bishop Williamson, after one of the Society's earlier visits to Rome and with talks with Ecclesia Dei told his seminarians (my son was in the seminary for four years) that there were four groups within the Vatican: Three of the groups are competing Masonic groups which conspire with each other for control of the Church but at the same time conspire against each other, each wanting to be the power brokers; the fourth is a group of loose conservative Cardinals, few in number, with no appreciable organization. If some of you recall Fr. Malachy Martins book "Winswept House" and the story of the assassination of head of the Vatican Guard, you then remember that not long after the book came out low and behold the Chief of the Vatican guard was assassinated by his second in command. This apparently was ordered and carried out by the in house Vatican Masons. Let us recall also from the same book, a book that Fr. Martin claimed was 90% true with some names and circumstances changed in order to protect his sources, and to avoid any charges of defamation, etc, that he had to write the book as a "novel". There was the "Masonic Ritual" that was held in St. John's Lateran at midnight simultaneously with one in Charleston S.C. 33 parallel, wherein they ritually murdered a young girl and by phone co-ordinated the ritual with the one in St. John's Lateran. I guess we could bring out many articles, revelations, etc, to paint a very dire picture of the terrible situation in the Church, whereby the enemies of Christ and His Church have gotten control of not only the Church but of the governments of the world - as B. Williamson said some time ago - Freemasonry is at the height of its power, that it has never been in such a exalted position of power before as it is today, so that there is no human power to match or oppose them decisively. However, the promise of "indefectability" guarantees that before the enemy would gain total victory over Christ and His Church, God will intervene and ultimately save the Church and the world in spite of ourselves or the hierarchy, this victory is left to Our Lady, but in the mean time things will get much worse.
Lets never give up hope, here are some side brief stories of Catholic heroism and courage.
I have been much reflecting on the movie "Lord of the Rings" by Tolkien - how many times did it seem that the good was on the verge of defeat, that there seemed to be no hope and the end was near - and then unexpectedly, suddenly the battle turned and victory. Never despair, never give up hope, never surrender, the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary are on our side.
In 1215, the Catholics faced the maurading Albengensians. The Catholics had 200 horse and 800 infantry against 100,000 mounted battle hardened Albegensians - the Catholics knelt down and prayed the Rosayr and attacked - the Albegensians were slaughtered and only 8 Catholics wounde and 2 killed.
Then there is the great El Cid (who by the way did not die in battle and was never ever defeated - contrary to the epic movie made staring Charlton Heston - El Cid die of natural cause in old age) There is a story and book to read of Catholic heroism in battle. During the time of Isabella of Spain - the Catholic Knights stood on one side of the battle field opposite an overwhelming force of Moslems - the Catholics charged, surely to their deaths, but bravely and courageously. As the Catholic knights charged, out of the clouds came three horses with the three Archangels riding them into and joining the charge of the Catholic Knights and delivering the Moslems to their destiny - true story - there is a statue in Spain commemoration this battle and the joining of the Archangels.
How many have ever read the story of "St Michael" in Korea - google the story of how St. Michael saved a Marine in Korea by cutting off the heads of six enemy Chi-choms (Chinese Communists). I'm an old Vietnam Marine and even I have seen and heard stories in Vietnam and other wars where miracles happened to say those who were on the verge of defeat and death, by the Saints and Angels.
Never give up your faith nor your trush in Our Lord and Our Lady, not until you are standing there with them in heaven for all eternity in the love of God.
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| Posted Jul 8, 2012, 7:54 pm |
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Walt or Saint Basil, whoever you are, I have to side with Roscoe here.
CCC: 2464 "The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others."
Before aspersions are cast on the reputation of Venerable Pius XII of beloved memory, its wise to be certain that what is claimed can be verified as true. Are there any photos of this purported meeting or eye witness testimony from trustworthy people? After looking over the sources you linked to, I can find not one shred of supporting evidence that Alinsky ever had a private audience with the Holy Father. From the account I read, Saul Alinsky just happened to show at the Vatican one day just as the Pope was greeting the faithful who flock there daily. When it was Alinsky's turn he took a key from his pocket (being an atheist, its only natural that he didn't possess a rosary or medals) and presented it to the Pope to bless. Its no different than if you or I happened to be there at the right time to see the Pope.
As far as all the other charges, I do not dispute them in the least. There is ample documented proof of the collusion between Alinsky and high ranking members of the clergy. I am also very aware that the Bride of Christ has been infiltrated by enemies hell bent on subverting and destroying Her from wtihin. After reading an interview with the widow of Dietrich Von Hildebrand, whom Pope Pius XII dubbed the twenth-century Doctor of the Church, the infiltration began long before Alinsky made his entrance into the world. In fact if the truth be told, this is nothing new. Enemies of Christ and His Church have been hard at work since its inception to undermine and extinguish the from the hearts and memories of men God and His divinely revealed truths.
http://www.sanctepater.com/2010/07/present-at-demolition-interview-with-dr.html
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TLM: Did your husband think that the decline in a sense of the supernatural began around that time, and if so, how did he explain it?
AVH: No, he believed that after Pius X’s condemnation of the heresy of Modernism, its proponents merely went underground. He would say that they then took a much more subtle and practical approach. They spread doubt simply by raising questions about the great supernatural interventions throughout salvation history, such as the Virgin Birth and Our Lady’s perpetual virginity, as well as the Resurrection, and the Holy Eucharist. They knew that once faith – the foundation – totters, the liturgy and the moral teachings of the Church would follow suit. My husband entitled one of his books The Devastated Vineyard. After Vatican II, a tornado seemed to have hit the Church. |
P.S. I used to post at freedomportal too. using a different identity of course. I recognized instantly that you are none other than the illustrious Walt. All the talk of Jews being gassed in a two car garage using bug spray was a dead giveaway. For my own spiritual health and hope of salvation, I had to stop visiting that forum as it was becoming an occasion of sin for me. I found myself hating Jews. Now we all know that to hate anyone, even our enemies is a mortal sin. Therefore, with the help of God's grace, I confessed this sin a few times. You know what, I was cured of this sin forever. This is the second grave sin I was miraculously and instantly healed of in confession. Also, for anyone who disputes the validity of NO sacraments, I an living proof of their effacaciousness.
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My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX. I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus Ordo Catholic, I am a Catholic period. I am simply trying my best to live a holy life in obedience and submission the Holy Father and the eternal truths as taught by Holy Mother Church.
"By withdrawing submission from the Holy Father and the faithful in communion with him, Sedevacantists are schismatic and hence automatically excommunicated from the Church under both Divine and ecclesiastical law (canon 1325, par. 2)."
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