TKGS
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Source: http://eccehomocatholic.blogspot.com/2012/06/sspx-doctrinal-preamble-leaked.html
I don't know how reliable either of these blogs are, but this is definitely news if it can be verified:
| Quote: | From Brazil, the blog Fratres in Unum has published a portion of the doctrinal preamble (or at least a summary thereof) between the Holy See and the SSPX. According to Fr. Pfluger, First Assistant to the Superior General of the SSPX, these are the terms that the Vatican laid down that the SSPX had to (and did) accept:
“O critério e o guia para a compreensão dos ensinamentos do Concílio Vaticano II deve ser a Tradição da Fé Católica integral, que por sua vez esclarece certos aspectos da vida e doutrina da Igreja ainda não formulados, mas implicitamente presentes nela. As afirmações do Concílio Vaticano II e do Magistério Pontifício posterior relativas à relação entre as Igreja Católica e as confissões cristãs não-católicas devem ser entendidas à luz de toda a Tradição”.
My translation:
"The criteria and guide for the understanding of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are to be the whole Tradition of the Catholic Faith, which on its part makes clear certain aspects of the life and doctrine of the Church, which are not yet formulated, but implicitly present in it. The affirmations of the Second Vatican Council and of the Pontifical Magisterium of the past relative to the relationship between the Catholic Church and the non-Catholic christian confessions are to be understood in light of all of Tradition." |
At first reading it seems clear. But as I read this text carefully, I'm not so sure. There is definitely a disconnect between what the SSPX has understood "in light of all of Tradition" and what the entire Conciliar church has understood.
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| Posted Jun 23, 2012, 1:13 pm |
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SeanJohnson
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| TKGS said: | Source: http://eccehomocatholic.blogspot.com/2012/06/sspx-doctrinal-preamble-leaked.html
I don't know how reliable either of these blogs are, but this is definitely news if it can be verified:
| Quote: | From Brazil, the blog Fratres in Unum has published a portion of the doctrinal preamble (or at least a summary thereof) between the Holy See and the SSPX. According to Fr. Pfluger, First Assistant to the Superior General of the SSPX, these are the terms that the Vatican laid down that the SSPX had to (and did) accept:
“O critério e o guia para a compreensão dos ensinamentos do Concílio Vaticano II deve ser a Tradição da Fé Católica integral, que por sua vez esclarece certos aspectos da vida e doutrina da Igreja ainda não formulados, mas implicitamente presentes nela. As afirmações do Concílio Vaticano II e do Magistério Pontifício posterior relativas à relação entre as Igreja Católica e as confissões cristãs não-católicas devem ser entendidas à luz de toda a Tradição”.
My translation:
"The criteria and guide for the understanding of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are to be the whole Tradition of the Catholic Faith, which on its part makes clear certain aspects of the life and doctrine of the Church, which are not yet formulated, but implicitly present in it. The affirmations of the Second Vatican Council and of the Pontifical Magisterium of the past relative to the relationship between the Catholic Church and the non-Catholic christian confessions are to be understood in light of all of Tradition." |
At first reading it seems clear. But as I read this text carefully, I'm not so sure. There is definitely a disconnect between what the SSPX has understood "in light of all of Tradition" and what the entire Conciliar church has understood. |
Let's pretend it is true, and perfectly translated:
1) it is a diversionary tactic to allow it to be leaked;
2) it will cause readers to quibble over the text and terms;
3) rather than wonder why we should be talking about signing anything at all;
4) whilst all the doctrinal issues remain unresolved in Rome.
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Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."
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| Posted Jun 23, 2012, 1:29 pm |
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Telesphorus
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| TKGS said: | | At first reading it seems clear. But as I read this text carefully, I'm not so sure. There is definitely a disconnect between what the SSPX has understood "in light of all of Tradition" and what the entire Conciliar church has understood. |
This issue of the "doctrinal preamble" and its secrecy is frankly bizarre.
This text is surely not the bone of contention - certainly not worthy of being kept secret - but it is very helpful to certain parties for the mass of people to believe that it is.
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"I realized the desire of Rome to impose their ideas and their way of seeing. Cardinal Ratzinger always told me "But Monsignor, there is only one Church, it is not necessary to make a parallel church."
Which is this Church for him? The Conciliar Church, this is clear."
-Archbishop Lefebvre
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| Posted Jun 23, 2012, 1:29 pm |
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