Malleus 01
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| Capt McQuigg said: | | Neil Obstat said: | | Such a Pope would at least do an end run around Vatican II, |
I have to disagree with this. It's an absolute imperative that Vatican II be declared null and void and rescinded from all authentic standing orders. Vatican II is not just a council "gone wrong" it should be declared an anathema because it is malignant cancer.
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I agree and all the resulting doctrine that eminated as well.
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| Posted Jun 20, 2012, 9:38 pm |
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Neil Obstat
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| Malleus 01 said: | | Capt McQuigg said: | | Neil Obstat said: | | Such a Pope would at least do an end run around Vatican II, |
I have to disagree with this. It's an absolute imperative that Vatican II be declared null and void and rescinded from all authentic standing orders. Vatican II is not just a council "gone wrong" it should be declared an anathema because it is malignant cancer.
Everything else you said is spot on! |
I agree and all the resulting doctrine that eminated as well. |
If it were possible to pull it off, I'd say fine, but there are a lot of Catholics today
who are too invested in the errors of Vat. II, and they would not so easily
let go and give it up. It's like someone who's 80 and habitual TV watcher.
Are they going to go cold turkey overnight? Not without withdrawal symptoms.
As it is, all they would have to do is re-convene Vatican I, without making
any mention of Vatican II. This time, don't have any Liberals on the board.
Pick up where Vatican I left off, because it was never closed. It was merely
postponed because of political turmoil in Italy at the time, and it was going
to be re-convened at a later time. That's what the original schemas for
Vatican II were, which Lefebvre was assisting with, to prepare.
But we could not call this Vatican II because that name is already soiled forever.
It would need a new name, and I don't know what that would be. The Liberals
at Vat. II threw all the schemas in the trash and started over. So that's the
plan: throw Vat. II in the trash and pick up where Vat. I left off, 140 years ago.
No excuses need be made, and if anyone screams and moans about what's
going on here, just throw them into prison and post a guard. Simple.
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| Posted Jun 22, 2012, 7:20 am |
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| Neil Obstat said: | | Malleus 01 said: | | Capt McQuigg said: | | Neil Obstat said: | | Such a Pope would at least do an end run around Vatican II, |
I have to disagree with this. It's an absolute imperative that Vatican II be declared null and void and rescinded from all authentic standing orders. Vatican II is not just a council "gone wrong" it should be declared an anathema because it is malignant cancer.
Everything else you said is spot on! |
I agree and all the resulting doctrine that eminated as well. |
If it were possible to pull it off, I'd say fine, but there are a lot of Catholics today
who are too invested in the errors of Vat. II, and they would not so easily
let go and give it up. It's like someone who's 80 and habitual TV watcher.
Are they going to go cold turkey overnight? Not without withdrawal symptoms.
As it is, all they would have to do is re-convene Vatican I, without making
any mention of Vatican II. This time, don't have any Liberals on the board.
Pick up where Vatican I left off, because it was never closed. It was merely
postponed because of political turmoil in Italy at the time, and it was going
to be re-convened at a later time. That's what the original schemas for
Vatican II were, which Lefebvre was assisting with, to prepare.
But we could not call this Vatican II because that name is already soiled forever.
It would need a new name, and I don't know what that would be. The Liberals
at Vat. II threw all the schemas in the trash and started over. So that's the
plan: throw Vat. II in the trash and pick up where Vat. I left off, 140 years ago.
No excuses need be made, and if anyone screams and moans about what's
going on here, just throw them into prison and post a guard. Simple. |
The Church just needs to remove all the ambiguities from the language by replacing in full all the documents of Vatican II - remove all vestiges of the Heresies of Religious liberty , Religious indifferentism and False Ecumenism and as you say return to the Schemas prepared initially for Vatican II.
Vatican II Reminds me of Obamas Health Care initiative - ten feet thick on purpose so people wont know whats in it.
Get rid of it entirely and replace it with a concise streamlined no nonsense format complete with Anathemas and be done with it. The Church does not exist to accomodate man - the Church exists to teach the Doctrine to the Faithful so they can please GOD. To those who need to wean themselves off Modernism , to me its like saying you have to gradually wean yourself off a cancerous tumor - no - you need to cut it out completely because if you wait it will only get worse. Sure , it might be painful for awhile - but you wont die from it.
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