Sede Catholic
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No, santo subito, that is not correct.
The novus ordo consecration is over by then. It has been completed, and is invalid according to Pope Saint Pius V.
Also, the priest does not say solely "Mysterium Fidei" in the novus ordo.
Instead, the priest in the novus ordo says "Let us proclaim the mystery of faith:"
Note the colon, which is actually in the rubrics. They are not referring back to the invalid consecration. They are referring forward to what is said next, by both the priest and the people.
Santo Subito, the fact that after the consecration, he says: “let us proclaim the mystery of faith” is irrelevant. The consecration is over. So the consecration was invalid. Secondly, the words “let us proclaim the mystery of faith” are about proclaiming “the mystery of faith”. They are not about confecting the Sacrament.
This is proved from the rubrics:
| the Novus Ordo rubrics said: | Do this in memory of me.
An acolyte may ring a bell when the chalice is elevated.
If incense is used, an acolyte incences the chalice when it is raised.
He shows the consecrated chalice to the people, places it on the corporal, and genuflects in adoration. Then he sings or says:
Stand (except in the U.S.)
Celebrant alone
Let us proclaim the mystery of faith:
People with celebrant and concelebrants:
A. Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
B. Dying you destroyed our death, rising you restored our life. Lord Jesus, come in glory.
C. When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, Lord Jesus, until you come in glory.
D. Lord, by your cross and resurrection you have set us free. You are the Savior of the world. |
http://www.catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/Text/Index/4/SubIndex/67/ContentIndex/22/Start/9
Note the fact that the rubrics even put a colon after the words, "Let us proclaim the mystery of faith:"
The colon is actually in the rubrics.
That colon even more clearly demonstrates that the words are not part of the consecration.
They apply to what is said next by the priest and the congregation.
It is another example of the dishonesty of those who wrote the New Mass. And of those who support it.
An invalid consecration, if it was invalidated in that way, cannot be remedied. It must be repeated.
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Hutton Gibson is the father of Mel Gibson, who was inspired by God to make the film "The Passion of the Christ".
Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy, so traditional Catholics, and all Catholics, should believe in The Divine Mercy.
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Nylndech
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Wonder why a sedevacantist has Divine Mercy picture
Also with new translation priest does not say "let us proclaim the mystery of faith"
Now says "the mystery of faith"
"Christ has Died, Christ is Risen, Christ will come again" was replaced
Edit: Replaced with "we proclaim your death, oh Lord, and profess Your Resurrection until you come again."
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Sede Catholic
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Your comment about The Divine Mercy is not logical.
The Divine Mercy received many Imprimaturs from the Catholic Church during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XII.
It was invalidly banned by Antipope John XXIII. The ban was lifted by Paul VI ( for anyone who is concerned by Antipope John XXII 's invalid ban).
So a Sedevacantist would not have a problem with The Divine Mercy.
Secondly, what I said is still true about the novus ordo attempt to pretend that they have rectified the consecration.
The words "Mysterium Fidei" are still not part of the consecration in the novus ordo.
So the consecration is still invalid.
When an invalid consecration is made, it is not somehow made valid if the priest then speaks the words that he left out at a later part of the ceremony.
| NyIndech said: | "Christ has Died, Christ is Risen, Christ will come again" was replaced
Edit: Replaced with "we proclaim your death, oh Lord, and profess Your Resurrection until you come again." |
The problem still remains. The words are not being said as part of the consecration, even retroactively. They are being said in reference to what will be said next. As your own words show.
Bishop Pivarunas, in an article about the Novus Ordo, quoted Moral Theology, Book 4, Tract 3 by St. Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church:
| Saint Alphonsus Liguori said: | | In practice, it is certain that a priest would sin gravely if he did not pronounce all the words which are had in the consecration of the chalice; and if perhaps he had said the first words only (For this is the Chalice of My Blood), he is bound at least to repeat the entire form conditionally.... |
So according to Saint Alphonsus Liguori, if the words are left out, the entire form must be repeated.
You cannot just throw the omitted words in later on, and hope it will be alright. It won't.
Pope Saint Pius V proves that if they leave out the words "Mysterium Fidei" then: "non conficeret sacramentum".
They are part of what is called "the necessary form" of the Sacrament.
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If you really want the truth about the crisis in the Catholic Church, read the books written by Hutton Gibson.
Hutton Gibson is the father of Mel Gibson, who was inspired by God to make the film "The Passion of the Christ".
Pope Pius XII believed in The Divine Mercy, so traditional Catholics, and all Catholics, should believe in The Divine Mercy.
The Divine Mercy was given many Imprimaturs by the Catholic Church of Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII.
The CMRI are a worldwide group of Catholic priests who celebrate the A.D. 1570 Traditional Latin Mass.
To find a Catholic A.D. 1570 Latin Mass near you, visit w,ww.cmri. org. Go to the Mass Locations (Chapels) section.
Sede Catholics are those traditional Catholics who realize that Francis I is a Heretic and an Antipope.
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