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| Neil Obstat said: | Wow. Small world.
In fact, go to your local Novus Ordo church and look for an altar stone in the "table," and about 29 times out of 30, there is no altar stone to be found. Ask the priest, and he'll come up with some kind of excuse.
I wonder if that's in the Third Secret?
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This point should not be overlooked.
I know one place where the priest jimmied an altar stone into the back of the modern altar.
See also Michael Rose's book Ugly as Sin.
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| Posted May 18, 2012, 1:04 pm |
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Neil Obstat
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Up until Vatican II many things were universally (but with heretical exception, of course) believed to be untouchable. E.g., The Canon of the Mass, the Rosary, Sacred Tradition, Deposit of Faith, Apostolic sucession, dogmas of the Church, and the principle of the altar stone...
All throughout World War II, even (as before then) priests who would go out into the field of battle to say Mass for the soldiers, such as on the hood of a Jeep, or in a foxhole, or behind a pile of rocks for protection from stray enemy bullets, would always have their altar stone carefully wrapped up and protected from harm, because no corruption is allowed on the stone. If it gets broken, it cannot be used. If it gets chipped or cracked, it cannot be used. So, in a rugged environment like a battlefield, keeping the altar stone safe from harm was essential.
Why all the fuss? Because in order to say a licit Mass, a priest is (was!) always required to first have an altar stone on which the gifts would be placed for the Offertory and Consecration. I can't say "valid," because in the case of deprivation, such as in a POW camp where the priest's belongings have been stripped from him, he can still say a valid Mass, so long as he has something like a fragment of bread and a fragment of wine, and he can remember the essentials of the Mass without having to read from his missal. St. Maximilian Kolbe was believed to have done this in confinement, for the soldiers with him there before he was so terribly killed.
Whether saying Mass on the road, or in a rented hall, or in someone's home, the first thing the priest would set up is the altar stone in the altar. There are numerous ways to do this, and the priests have been trained from antiquity how to do it, but modern new order priests sometimes are entirely ignorant of the topic, and they might not even know what an altar stone is, or have never seen one.
How many ways can the Faith of Catholics be under attack? Does anyone have a list?
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| Posted May 18, 2012, 4:41 pm |
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Neil Obstat
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| Quote: | | One local parish here took the old stone they had, and set it into concrete, IN THE FLOOR, out in the "lobby" (like it's a hotel or something), outside the church (where there is no salvation). There, part of the floor, passers-by step on it, and nobody is aware of its presence. The pastor there assured me the reason was to bring it out into contact with the people, where everyone can appreciate it first hand. Well, nobody appreciates it any more. They step on it, and keep walking. |
In retrospect, it seems to me that the pastor who did this nefarious crime was likely a Freemason. One of the ceremonies they require for a candidate to advance from one level to the next, is for him to walk through a room in which a crucifix is lying on the floor, and he must STEP on the crucifix as he walks over it. If the candidate somehow doesn't actually step on the crucifix, he fails the test, and will never advance to any higher level for the rest of his natural days.
But don't think that the leaders will behave any differently. His masters in the room, who are watching his steps, will congratulate him just the same, as if he had done well. No matter if he passes or fails, they will shake his hand vigorously, and praise him for doing well. So he would not know if he did well or not. The power is entirely in the hands of the masters, even the power of knowledge and judgment.
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| Posted May 18, 2012, 4:52 pm |
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