Author Topic: Groups, personalities - complete map of Sedevacantist world (Read 26817 times)

Matthew · « **on:** February 01, 2012, 01:01:47 PM »

Let's form a comprehensive list of ALL the groups/personas/movements in the Sedevacantist world.

By "Sedevacantist" I mean all those who deny that the man Joseph Ratzinger is the current Pope. So this would include adherents of the Siri thesis, for example.

Say a person DID want to consider Sedevacantism. If we wanted to help him, and we were totally detached/honest and wanted to be thorough, who should this person be informed about (so he could pick his "flavor") or even be warned against?

I'll start the brainstorming session:
(In no particular order)

CMRI and its allies/affiliated groups (in Mexico, etc.)
SSPV
Fr. Moderator and his dubious priesthood -- slander, etc. on Traditio
Lucio Mascarenhas and all the extreme dogmatic Sedes in India
Richard Ibranyi
Anti-Popes (Michael I, etc.)
Followers of the Siri thesis
Feeneyites
Bp. Dolan/Fr. Cekada
Bishop Sanborn & Seminary
Fr. Ramolla & Seminary
Eamon Shea/SJB
VOVwatch
John Lane, St. Robert Bellarmine forum
Omlor family
Joseph Charles McKenzie, Rob Sheehan (allies of Dolan/Cekada)
Gerry Matatics
Hutton Gibson
The Four Marks newspaper
Dr. Tom Droleskey, Christ or Chaos website
Bp. Petko
Bp. McKenna
Ryan Scott
David Landry ("CM", "Catholic Martyr") & Frank Pagnanelli -- dogmatic Sede/home-aloners; they know of no other Catholics than their two families, though they don't deny others might exist.
Dogmatic Home-aloners (all priests, even Sede, are not valid for some reason)
Dimond Brothers/Most Holy Family Monastery
Apostles of Infinite Love (Canada)
The Daughters of Mary Mother of Our Savior

This is the second attempt -- the first thread dissolved in 5 directions.
I'm not interested in what you think of my little project.

Any posts that criticize my project, try to philosophize, or go off topic in any way will be deleted with no warning. So please stay ON-TOPIC. Thank you.

And to all the sedevacantists out there -- the goal of this project is NOT to point at the finished list and say, "Look at this! How ridiculous is sedevacantism!" I'm looking for *all* personas and groups -- both the good, and those which most Sedes wish would disappear. I'm looking for OBJECTIVE TRUTH AND REALITY here. The objective reality is that guys like the Dimond brothers exist, and are major players in the Sede world.

Thorn · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2012, 01:37:49 PM »

Apostles of Infinite Love (in Canada)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2012, 01:46:54 PM »

The Daughters of Mary Mother of Our Savior

Congregation of SSPV

an old SV community in Mexico, very long-lived (but of course the name escapes me)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2012, 05:53:57 PM »

Mario Derksen, former author of Novus Ordo Watch and present author of a study on the Thuc line

MyrnaM · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2012, 07:45:19 PM »

I would certainly want them to be able to receive the Sacraments. So I would tell them to look into groups that can give them these Sacraments.

I doubt I would recommend the Diamond Brothers, they can't offer the Sacraments in fact I heard they attend a Byzantine Rite.

Yes, I would recommend they subscribe to the Four Marks publication, and I would pass along some great web sites, CMRI web site for start.
http://www.cmri.org/ There they can read all about the sedevacantist position, and find some other great links for information.

Caraffa · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2012, 10:23:26 PM »

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Lucio Mascarenhas and all the extreme dogmatic Sedes in India

I though that he was an antipope Michael follower and his "papal secretary."

rowsofvoices9 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2012, 01:42:42 PM »

How kooky is the world of sedevacantism. All these different groups in disagreement with each other and forever squabbling. United only in their intense hatred of Vatican II and the post conciliar Popes. This is what happens when you sever ties with the Barque of Peter, you are bound to lose your mooring and falter.

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2012, 02:14:34 PM »

Quote from: rowsofvoices9

How kooky is the world of sedevacantism. All these different groups in disagreement with each other and forever squabbling. United only in their intense hatred of Vatican II and the post conciliar Popes. This is what happens when you sever ties with the Barque of Peter, you are bound to lose your mooring and falter.

All those who deny the Siri election have 'severed their ties to the Barque of Peter'. This includes deluded followers of the anti-pope Ben.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2012, 02:44:51 PM »

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How kooky is the world of sedevacantism. All these different groups in disagreement with each other and forever squabbling. United only in their intense hatred of Vatican II and the post conciliar Popes. This is what happens when you sever ties with the Barque of Peter, you are bound to lose your mooring and falter.

Always the same assessment. Always the same tidy reply:

How kooky is the world of Vatican II religion. All these different groups in disagreement with each other and forever squabbling. United only in their intense hatred of Tradition and the pre-Vatican II popes. This is what happens when you sever ties with the Barque of Peter, you are bound to lose your mooring and falter.

:argue:

MyrnaM · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2012, 03:08:21 PM »

The truth is those who are not sedevacantist that are full of hatred, always speaking ill of THEIR HOLY FATHER!

In fact if you knew the truth the sedevacantist position, at least CMRI, hardly mentions B16 from the pulpit. Our priests are too busy with the mission of God, that is saving souls. The only time he or Vatican II gets mentioned might be during the October, Fatima Conference.

I will admit, Father mentioned a few weeks ago, the failings of Vatican II, and that was a surprise to our ears. The reason he did, I feel, is we have been encouraging the Spokane residents, to come and tour the Mount. Because of this many people from Spokane, from all walks of faith, have been asking many questions. There have been so many new faces at Mass, we even have a Protestant girl thinking of becoming a nun. She was told, she must become a Catholic first. LOL! Pray for her. Our Lady working miracles in secret, as she promised.

Getting back to my thoughts, here. You traditionalist, SSPX, accuse us of judging the pope, but is is actually the SSPX who judges their pope, and right in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Talk about rude! The reason I know this to be true is because when I travel, I have attended Mass at SSPX, why, because I believe you have the Blessed Sacrament on your altar.

Sedevacanist are not confused, we already admit what you know to be true.
Sure we might squabble, but so did St. Peter and St. Paul. Funny you close your eyes when Bishop Williamson and Bishop Fellay squabble, but hey, that's okay in your hypocritical eyes.

Maybe if we had a pope, we wouldn't squabble so much. What do you think?

Why do I have a feeling that cathinfo, are wishing that all sedevacantist leave this forum, think of how boring it would be for you, so boring sooner or later you would all leave.

Matthew, I am not hyjaking your thread here either, just replying to a few rude people.

roscoe, I don't deny Siri of anything, I just don't know for sure about what happened there, and what difference does it make, we would still be in these same shoes today.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2012, 03:59:24 PM »

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Funny you close your eyes when Bishop Williamson and Bishop Fellay squabble, but hey, that's okay in your hypocritical eyes.

I think you mean just Bishop Fellay. Bishop Williamson doesn't squabble.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2012, 04:14:17 PM »

SS, I am sure you know much more than I do regarding them, I just base my opinion on what I read here.

Just to stay on topic, might we add your name, Spiritus to the "notorious" list.

How abour Raoul76
Party is Over
lets see who else?

Trinity · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2012, 06:25:07 PM »

I'm sure you do tell the truth when you know it. I do question your omniscience, though. And what do you mean, RIP Dawn. She's alright isn't she?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:49:01 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Quote from: rowsofvoices9
How kooky is the world of sedevacantism. All these different groups in disagreement with each other and forever squabbling. United only in their intense hatred of Vatican II and the post conciliar Popes. This is what happens when you sever ties with the Barque of Peter, you are bound to lose your mooring and falter.

All those who deny the Siri election have 'severed their ties to the Barque of Peter'. This includes deluded followers of the anti-pope Ben.

Anyone who still subscribes to the "Siri Thesis" after reading the article demolishing it by John Venarri is without hope.

In the words of Fleetwood Mac, "You can go your own wayyyyyy, go your own way."

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2012, 08:15:43 PM »

Quote from: Trinity

I'm sure you do tell the truth when you know it. I do question your omniscience, though. And what do you mean, RIP Dawn. She's alright isn't she?

Yeah shes alright. Just RIP as in banned... I believe that was the last status on her here.