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I was hoping you would come on and sum things up, Dulcamara. You are good at that.

And you did it again. See there was an America with good things or you and I couldn't talk about it. Nor could we mourn it or get upset about what is going on now. Those bleeding heart liberals have ruined just about everything. I've seen them in the Catholic Church, too.

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Rush? Oh man.
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Please ignore my old posts against NFP and implicit faith. Both are true teachings of the Church!

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You never did tell me where this better country is, Raoul, so I can move there. Please answer that then tell me what this better form of gov't is? Then show me where I said I am not for a Catholic gov't.


According to the Great Monarch prophecies there will be a brief restoration of the Church and of Catholic governments.

Right now, we are in the NWO and there is no Catholic government.  The Jews and Masons used treachery to take down the Catholic governments or at least undermine them, and I'm afraid America was used essentially as their military machine, not to mention their model for setting up new democratic states which opened the door for abortion and condoms and porn and so on. 

For instance, America fighting against Spain in the 1892 war.  Not to mention that we were against Catholic Austria in World War I, the last stand of a Catholic country against organized Masonry.

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You say this isn't something that can keep us out of heaven, Alexandria, but I'm not sure.  Do you think Cardinal Gibbons is in heaven?  I have my sincere doubts. 

I realize Trinity is confused, not malicious, though, and I certainly hope and pray she gets there.  That is despite her calling me a "non-Catholic" ( remember that, Trin?  Let's not blame the bad blood all on the young Turks! )  The problem with Americans, though, is that they are just so dangerously naive.  They want to see everything as good, they don't want to see evil.  I know we are supposed to be optimistic, but there's a difference between being optimistic and being blind.

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Rush?  Oh man.


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I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anything contrary to Catholic doctrine, and all of them are capable, if wisely and justly managed, to insure the welfare of the State. Neither is it blameworthy in itself, in any manner, for the people to have a share greater or less, in the government..." I likewise renounce any statements I may have made, insinuating that the Church should "change it's mind" in this matter, or might somehow be wrong about it. God forgive me!

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Thank you for answering my questions, Raoul, but you have told me nothing I didn't know. You are preaching to the choir. Get that one through your head and we'll start to get somewhere.

What you don't know about what I know is where the problem arises. I was there and so was your neighbor, Myrna, etc. You weren't. How is it that, you, who wasn't there, know more than we do? Open your mind to the possibility that we have seen things you haven't then go talk to your neighbor.

Has it ever occured to you that when you attack us on this, you are attacking our sense of right and wrong, which has served us for a lot more years than yours has served you? As a Catholic you ought to know that it is only our theology that has to be right. God doesn't require us to judge or unravel the riddles of the world. It is our conscience which will condemn or defend us on judgment day.

There is an old saying that to the pure, all things are pure. I associate this with the saints. St. Augustine even went so far as to say "O happy fault, which brought us such a Savior!" I noticed in a thread down below they speak of Mary Poppins, written by an evil woman therefore evil perchance. I say it is evil if it has an evil effect on you, not evil if it doesn't.

This subject seems to have an evil effect on you, for you start seeing evil where it isn't and judging people harshly for not seeing the evil you see. You lose your charity in your alarm.

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Trinity that is very good advice you gave Raoul, it would also apply to his problem he admits to on the thread "good quote".

He is very intelligent, but sometime that could lead to distruction.


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Perhaps this will also help Raoul understand us. I am so against "them" that I don't want to aid them in any way. So I would listen to the talking heads to find out what direction they wanted us to go, so I could go a different direction. I couldn't do it, I'm just not smart enough to out think the devil who I am convinced is orchestrating all this evil. I am also convinced that God is creating good in the midst of all this evil. So, yes, there is good fruit on the poison tree. God put it there.

In the midst of trying to figure them out, I noticed that ALL things were beginning to look evil. I could see how they could want us to believe both sides of the coin and it drove me crazy. I decided to take the route of the saints and lift my eyes to heaven.

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