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Sandy Hook Game-Changer
« on: February 21, 2014, 01:16:35 PM »
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  • Anyone who knows me knows that I am not one on conspiracy theories...but this one at Sandy Hook looks pretty real...

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/21/sandy-hook-game-changer-solid-new-evidence-of-a-cover-up-presented/

    Sandy Hook Game-Changer: Solid New Evidence of a Cover-Up Presented
    FEBRUARY 21, 2014 BY 21WIRE 3 COMMENTS
    21st Century Wire says…

    If it all seems too unbelievable, that’s probably because it is…

    The world was led to believe by US media and government authorities that a ‘mass shooting’ was carried out by yet another deranged lone gunman, only after reports had initially stated there was  a second shooter on several CBS and ABC affiliates. This latter-day Oswald is named Adam Lanza (below), who had no real motive, an aversion to shooting (so we were told at the time), and no one had actually seen in 3-4 years – and a gunman who is believed by some to have a different identity.  



    As evidence emerged out of the ‘boiler rooms’ of media halls, mainstream correspondents began selling the public on this latest tragic shooting in America. Not since Columbine had the corporate media been so fixated on an apparent tragic shooting, pushing the fear and death of it all on a 24/7 news loop.

    Because the case has now been “classified” by the FBI, it’s hard to find any evidence of a mass shooting, but there seems to be more than ample evidence of a cover-up.

    But a few brand new discoveries and key expert witness questions have emerged this week that could rip this event wide open…

    Washington’s Blog

    Wolfgang Halbig has the perfect combination of expertise to evaluate what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School:

    Law enforcement: Florida State Trooper, US Customs Agent.
    Education: teacher, assistant principal, principal.

    Current school safety expert: trained key personnel at over 4,000 US school districts, and over 3,500 school safety officers.

    His conclusion after ten months of motivated investigation:

    “In my professional opinion, [Sandy Hook was] a scripted event… in planning for maybe two, two and a half years.”

    Mr. Halbig’s response is demand for criminal arrests of “leaders” involved in Sandy Hook based on rational embrace of the public evidence he explains in the interview:

    law enforcement parked 1/4 mile away upon arrival. Why didn’t they rush to a heart-wrenching emergency if it really occurred?

    no trauma helicopters were ordered. This is unheard of for an actual emergency.
    no paramedics were allowed in the school. This is unheard of.

    officials refuse to say who declared all 26 people dead. By law, this must come from a doctor. This refusal of so much basic information indicates lies and cover-ups.

    official narrative claims emergency personnel didn’t find the school secretary and nurse after 4 hours of searching.

    this “event” included a traffic sign lit with the message, “everyone must sign in.” Officials refuse any comment on this element that would be present for a staged event/drill.

    porta potties were on site; again with no comment by officials and consistent with holding a staged event.

    no names were listed for the 26 children and chorus director at the 2013 Super Bowl event in honor of Sandy Hook. The children resemble the alleged shooting victims. It’s unimaginable to not list these names for such a huge deal.
    no lawsuits filed by parents for negligence against school district. This is unheard of.

    a shooter with Aspergers would have poor motor skills and muscle tone – how did he carry all the gear and shoot with such precision? This combination is impossible to imagine.

    2 homicide investigators threatened Mr. Halbig for making inquiries consistent with his professional duties to learn about this event for future school safety.
    Newtown Public Schools won’t return any calls. Mr. Halbig says this non-cooperation to contribute information for other schools’ safety is unheard of.
    the FBI classified the report on Sandy Hook. This has never been done before, and indicates a cover-up of all the evidence that this was a staged event.
    radio transmissions are consistent in tone and content for a drill, not an actual emergency.

    multiple weapons reported at a limited crime scene were never found. This is not credible.

    law enforcement sent a kindergarten girl from the hall to stay at the crime scene of room 8 to be alone with dead bodies. This is a ridiculous claim that demands investigation and answers.

    no parents viewed the bodies of their children. This is also unheard of.
    no docuмents are being released via Freedom of Information Act requests. This is unheard of.

    trauma services were never requested. This would never occur.
    tearing down the school is consistent with destruction of evidence, given the HUGE gaps between official accounts and the evidence.

    there’s zero evidence that a bio-hazard company was contacted to clean blood, bodily fluids, and officials refuse comment. This is impossible.

    Mr. Halbig’s inquiries of who installed the school security system has been met with silence. This is unheard of to not get this information to improve other schools.

    Mr. Halbig has the professional expertise to conclude the official story is impossible, and to demand arrests in order for the public to have the truth.
    Sandy Hook is one of perhaps 100 areas of such importance. The 2014 Worldwide Wave of Action invites everyone’s participation to:

    Expose 1% oligarchs in the US and elsewhere as OBVIOUS criminals centering in war, money, andmedia (also in ~100 other crucial areas).

    Cause their surrender through arrests or Truth & Reconciliation.
    Initiate true freedom for all Earth’s inhabitants to explore ready breakthroughs in economics (links here) and technology, and discover what it is to be human without psychopathic criminals who joke about killing millions, harming billions, and looting trillions.

    If you haven’t heard it yet, listen to this incredibly revealing interview with school security expert Wolfgang Halbig here:

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    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 05:26:20 PM »
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  • Excellent post!

    There is just so much stench to Sandy Hook, it was either the worst handled emergency EVER or it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.  The way a militarized police force took over the building long after the shooting was very awkward.  It was like they were making sure that all the loose ends were removed before they went public with the story.



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    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 06:26:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Petertherock
    Anyone who knows me knows that I am not one on conspiracy theories...but this one at Sandy Hook looks pretty real...

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/21/sandy-hook-game-changer-solid-new-evidence-of-a-cover-up-presented/

    Sandy Hook Game-Changer: Solid New Evidence of a Cover-Up Presented
    FEBRUARY 21, 2014 BY 21WIRE 3 COMMENTS
    21st Century Wire says…




    no parents viewed the bodies of their children.


    I've already found one hole in this story.  A quick "google" using the phrase "sandy hook victims funerals open casket" promplty gave four accounts of open casket funerals (I didn't pursue the whole first page, may have been more).

    Here is a news story about the only funeral home in Newtown, CT, which handled the final arrangements for the victims.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/newtown-undertaker-opens-week-hell-article-1.1221756

    Here is a story about one of the victim's mother.  Governor of Connecticut  Dannel Malloy attended the child's open casket visitation at the funeral home.
    http://www.quora.com/Brian-Browne-Walker/Posts/The-open-coffin-funeral-of-Sandy-Hook-victim-Noah-Pozner

    Here is a story about the President of the Connecticut Funeral Directors Association who organized other volunteer morticians to assist with eleven of the funerals handled by the Honan Funeral Home.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-shooting-victims-names_n_2307354.html

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    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2014, 06:37:39 PM »
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  • I think there was only one open casket, that was the Pozner funeral. The medical examiner stated in the press conference the next day that parents ID'd the children only with photos, which is very unusual to say the least.

    Nobody is saying there were no funerals, but that all of the parents acted very strangely as a group.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2014, 07:53:11 PM »
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    I think there was only one open casket, that was the Pozner funeral. The medical examiner stated in the press conference the next day that parents ID'd the children only with photos, which is very unusual to say the least.

    Nobody is saying there were no funerals, but that all of the parents acted very strangely as a group.


    There was an open casket for Jack Pinto
    http://nypost.com/2012/12/18/6-year-old-sandy-hook-victim-james-mattioli-laid-to-rest-in-newtown/
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/funerals-for-newtown-massacre-victims-begin/2012/12/17/ffd0a130-486d-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html

    Emile Parker was buired in Utah
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252207/Emilie-Parker-funeral-Final-funerals-tragic-massacre-victims-week-innocent-lives-cut-short-gunman.html
    The article doesn't mention if the casket was open (that is information that would sometimes be included in the obituary, but generally not in a news article).  Her's was a LDS funeral.  While the casket is always closed at a LDS funeral it is VERY RARE for them to not have a viewing at the church the hour before (and often a visitation at the funeral home the day before.

    In the same article are pictures of Josephine gαy's funeral at a Catholic Church.  The casket is always closed at a funeral Mass.  However the Church's funeral rites (both pre and post VII) call for a Vigil Service (traditionally the Rosary is recited) at the church or funeral home chapel.  The casket is almost always open at the vigil.  Several of the other victims were Catholic also.

    There was an open casket for Emmett Till
    http://articles.courant.com/2013-01-30/news/hc-op-hαɾɾιs-sandy-hook-pictures-0131-20130130_1_bushmaster-sandy-hook-assault-style-rifles

    I cited articles about two of the funeral directors who assisted the families and cared for the dead.  Here is another:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/newtown-funeral-pasqaule-forino-sandy-hook_n_2318913.html

    Emile Parker was sent to Utah so a local funeral home would have directed the services there.  Even if the casket were to remain closed at the service or visitation by the family's request a professional funeral director would have privately opened the casket on its arrival to see that all was in order.

    These were from just the first page of Googe, I didn't have any more time to waste.  I suspect that if one were to make the effort to search the obituary archives at the Newtown Bee several other examples could be found.

    If there were no dead children (which some are claiming) then there would be no need to have funerals.  I found docuмentated cases of three public viewing of the deceased and I have no doubt many more could be found with some diligence.  I found seperate articles about two independent funeral directors, in different towns, who spoke of careing for and preparing the bodies.  If there were no dead children (which some are claiming) then there would be no bodies to care for and prepare for burial.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 08:05:13 PM »
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  • I'm not arguing about the facts surrounding the funerals. If the entire thing was fake, the funerals would be fake as well, so one needn't focus on funerals to address all the inconsistencies and the almost complete lack of detail in any statements or reports.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 08:12:17 PM »
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    The medical examiner stated in the press conference the next day that parents ID'd the children only with photos, which is very unusual to say the least.



    This is unusual, but understandable under the circuмstances.  There were 26 bodies.  Newtown is a small town with a population of 1,973 and only one small local funeral home.  I have some background in the death care business.  It would have taken several days to organize private viewings in a suitable environment for this large of a number.  It was important to positively identify each of the deceased as quickly as possible so that the Medical Examiner could complete his work and release the bodies to the families so that they could begin to make the funeral arrangements.  Also, several of the news stories indicated that many of the bodies were badly disfigured.  While still horrific to see I can imagine that viewing a picture would be somewhat less brutal for the families than viewing the body before the embalmer had been able to prepare it.  The families had the opportunity to view their children at the funeral home if they wished.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 21, 2014, 08:16:11 PM »
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    The medical examiner stated in the press conference the next day that parents ID'd the children only with photos, which is very unusual to say the least.



    This is unusual, but understandable under the circuмstances.  There were 26 bodies.  Newtown is a small town with a population of 1,973 and only one small local funeral home.  I have some background in the death care business.  It would have taken several days to organize private viewings in a suitable environment for this large of a number.  It was important to positively identify each of the deceased as quickly as possible so that the Medical Examiner could complete his work and release the bodies to the families so that they could begin to make the funeral arrangements.  Also, several of the news stories indicated that many of the bodies were badly disfigured.  While still horrific to see I can imagine that viewing a picture would be somewhat less brutal for the families than viewing the body before the embalmer had been able to prepare it.  The families had the opportunity to view their children at the funeral home if they wished.


    No, it's very unusual. Newtown is 28,000.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 21, 2014, 08:39:23 PM »
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  • If ever I had a child killed, I'd need to see the body under any circuмstances nin order to believe. How you could accept such sudden and unexpected death if you didn't view the body is beyond me.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 21, 2014, 09:44:41 PM »
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    The medical examiner stated in the press conference the next day that parents ID'd the children only with photos, which is very unusual to say the least.



    This is unusual, but understandable under the circuмstances.  There were 26 bodies.  Newtown is a small town with a population of 1,973 and only one small local funeral home.  I have some background in the death care business.  It would have taken several days to organize private viewings in a suitable environment for this large of a number.  It was important to positively identify each of the deceased as quickly as possible so that the Medical Examiner could complete his work and release the bodies to the families so that they could begin to make the funeral arrangements.  Also, several of the news stories indicated that many of the bodies were badly disfigured.  While still horrific to see I can imagine that viewing a picture would be somewhat less brutal for the families than viewing the body before the embalmer had been able to prepare it.  The families had the opportunity to view their children at the funeral home if they wished.


    No, it's very unusual. Newtown is 28,000.


    I stand corrected on the population, I had relied on a source (City Data) that was wrong.  28,000 is still a small town, with just one funeral home.

    Does the poster have a background in the death care industry (I do) which leads him to concur that this was very unusual rather than just unusual?

    Let me go over this ONE more time.  When a family is required or wishes to make an identification viewing, after the coronor or medical examiner has compleated his initial investigation, the body is moved from the place of death to the medical examiners facility (in a very large city) or to a funeral home (in medium and small towns, such as Newtown).  There bloody clothing is removed, the body washed and redressed in clean clothing or a hospital gown.  Restorative or cosmetic work would not have commenced at this time.  The body is then refrigerated until arrangements are made for the family to come for the viewing.

    There were 26 bodies (not counting the assailants and his mother).  There was one small town funeral home with just 3 people on staff, and likely only one of those was licensed to legally complete aspects of the arrangements (I am familiar with WA regulations but not CT, which could be different).  This facility likely could only refrigerate 2 - 4 bodies at a time (I am familiar with the equipment they use).  An identification viewing would ideally be compleated in 24-36 hours after death so that autopsies can be doon if needed, the coroner can compleate his paperwork and release the bodies, and families can begin to make funeral arrangements.

    Under the very unusual circuмstances the decision of the medical examiner to use pictures for the initial indentification seems to me to have been both prudent and compassionate.  It seems to me that pictures would make this difficult task somewhat less brutal for the families than having to look at crumpled, bloody, and disfigured bodies sprawled on a school floor or lined up in a warehouse.  After the bodies are released by the coronor for burial the families had and always have the opportunity to have a private or public or both visitation in a more comfortable setting.

    If there were pictures of dead bodies there would have to be dead bodies to take pictures of.  I don't understand what the issue is.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 21, 2014, 11:59:19 PM »
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  • If Sandy Hook isn't true, then how will legislators be convinced that we need more bills like this one?

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/sarahjeanseman/2014/02/19/georgia-votes-for-fewer-gun-laws-allows-concealed-carry-in-bars-churches-airports-n1796994
    including: "gun bill may allow [Georgia] school officials to carry guns"
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    « Reply #12 on: February 22, 2014, 10:46:09 AM »
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    The medical examiner stated in the press conference the next day that parents ID'd the children only with photos, which is very unusual to say the least.



    This is unusual, but understandable under the circuмstances.  There were 26 bodies.  Newtown is a small town with a population of 1,973 and only one small local funeral home.  I have some background in the death care business.  It would have taken several days to organize private viewings in a suitable environment for this large of a number.  It was important to positively identify each of the deceased as quickly as possible so that the Medical Examiner could complete his work and release the bodies to the families so that they could begin to make the funeral arrangements.  Also, several of the news stories indicated that many of the bodies were badly disfigured.  While still horrific to see I can imagine that viewing a picture would be somewhat less brutal for the families than viewing the body before the embalmer had been able to prepare it.  The families had the opportunity to view their children at the funeral home if they wished.


    No, it's very unusual. Newtown is 28,000.


    I stand corrected on the population, I had relied on a source (City Data) that was wrong.  28,000 is still a small town, with just one funeral home.

    Does the poster have a background in the death care industry (I do) which leads him to concur that this was very unusual rather than just unusual?

    Let me go over this ONE more time.  When a family is required or wishes to make an identification viewing, after the coronor or medical examiner has compleated his initial investigation, the body is moved from the place of death to the medical examiners facility (in a very large city) or to a funeral home (in medium and small towns, such as Newtown).  There bloody clothing is removed, the body washed and redressed in clean clothing or a hospital gown.  Restorative or cosmetic work would not have commenced at this time.  The body is then refrigerated until arrangements are made for the family to come for the viewing.

    There were 26 bodies (not counting the assailants and his mother).  There was one small town funeral home with just 3 people on staff, and likely only one of those was licensed to legally complete aspects of the arrangements (I am familiar with WA regulations but not CT, which could be different).  This facility likely could only refrigerate 2 - 4 bodies at a time (I am familiar with the equipment they use).  An identification viewing would ideally be compleated in 24-36 hours after death so that autopsies can be doon if needed, the coroner can compleate his paperwork and release the bodies, and families can begin to make funeral arrangements.

    Under the very unusual circuмstances the decision of the medical examiner to use pictures for the initial indentification seems to me to have been both prudent and compassionate.  It seems to me that pictures would make this difficult task somewhat less brutal for the families than having to look at crumpled, bloody, and disfigured bodies sprawled on a school floor or lined up in a warehouse.  After the bodies are released by the coronor for burial the families had and always have the opportunity to have a private or public or both visitation in a more comfortable setting.

    If there were pictures of dead bodies there would have to be dead bodies to take pictures of.  I don't understand what the issue is.


    It appears you believe this happened, I understand that. The fact is that we are being asked to believe that nobody identified their loved ones in person, that nobody requested that they be able to identify their loved ones in person, even though the temporary morgue was set up right on the premises.

    We are also asked to believe that everyone was assumed dead and no resuscitation efforts were made on anybody, nor was anybody injured in that area that required medical attention.

    We are also asked to believe that every single person who was shot was killed. No injuries treated in the school building.

    Let me ask you a question ... did you follow this event when it happened?

    Did you see the helicopter news footage that clearly showed officers entering St. Rose of lima school down the road?

    Did you watch the chase into the woods clearly hours after the shootings supposedly took place?

    Did you know they tore the school down and pulverized the debris into dust before it was removed from the site?

    These and about 1000 other questions need to be answered.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 22, 2014, 11:36:03 AM »
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  • The irony in MaterDominici's post is that the average "conspiracy theorist" doesn't see the logic in this  :roll-laugh2:

    This is a rather more complicated "conspiracy" in that it appears to have two branches.  ONE: Sandy Hook never happened, there were no dead children (all the "alleged victims" were persons who had already died or dissappared; their "parents" who appeared in the media were all hired actor) ~ it was all a hoax to promote "gun control".  TWO: There were dead children but the "gubmnt" killed them to promote "gun control".

    As to if there were "real bodies" of "real children", I think I've already docuмented that adequately, but for those who need more proof just "google" for a list of Sandy Hook victims.  Then go to Legacy and type or paste in a name.  Set the date range to 2010 - 2014 and the state to Conneticut.  I did this with six random names from the list of 26 last night.  There was no return for one (the family always has the perogative to not publish an obituary).  One name had a descriptive obituary but no service information (the family always has the perogative to hold private services, or no services at all).  One listed a service at a protestant church (protestant funerals are more often than not open casket).  One was a funeral at a prostant church (Episcopal) with the family "receiving visitors" at the church the evening before (this is "boiler plate" funeral industry termonology for "open casket visitation").  Two were Catholic funerals (albiet Novus Ordo), listing in the obituary that there was a Vigil Service the evening before (one was at the funeral home, one was at the church) and then a funeral Mass the day after the Vigil (Catholic vigil services are almost always open casket, based on my pre and post VII personal experience; I was born in 1951 and attended my first funeral in 1960 for my paternal grandfather).  My grandfather was an O'Neil and buried by the venerable Irish undertaking firm in Spokane, WA of Hennessey (unfortunately  that firm is now under corporate owenership and there is not a Hennessey at the helm).  The casket was open, a bar was rolled out after the Rosary (rosaries were provided for those who needed one, and an explanatory card) but I was too young to imbide in a traditional Irish wake.  At the Requiem Mass the funeral directors provided each mourner arriving without a missal a pamplet of the St. Joseph's Missal Requiem Mass text in English.  Yes, life was classy "back in the day".

    I'm pretty certain that there were real children, real dead bodies, real parents/siblings/aunts&uncles/grandparentals here.  If someone wants to "hate" I'll add them to my prayer list.

    If someone wants to "doubt" check out this http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/

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    « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2014, 01:17:20 PM »
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  • Salon.com ?

    If someone wants to "hate" I'll add them to my prayer list. ???
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil